Stimulus wrote:

Scoobert wrote:

Well if i had to pay to do anything with BYOND(besides play games and buy the manual) i would not.

Totally agree. I know a few people in the community who have made BYOND their life; Wake up in the morning, log onto BYOND, set your PC to idle while they are at school, come back home, play on BYOND till they have to sleep, then do it all over again the next day.

:D I can honestly say Im almost to the point were I do that, lol. But I don't.

The idea is basicly to get people that would pay, to pay.
Personally im edging to be more against this idea. This could be because Dareb is so for it, but I dont like the idea ofbeing more favourable towards certain developers. They may be irritating to us, yet to all the rest of the RAWers they are there coding heroes
(Rawers = Those that live in the Zeta rips, Icon Trading and other games that never reach the quality needed to become out of Byond.RAW)

same here,

aight i would like 2 say something bout this first of all i would like 2 say why the hell is every 1 so concerned bout lang. u hear cussing all day its no diffrent on byond so deal wit it

Killa121 wrote:

aight i would like 2 say something bout this first of all i would like 2 say why the hell is every 1 so concerned bout lang. u hear cussing all day its no diffrent on byond so deal wit it

I see girls wear skirts everyday, doesn't mean I want to wear a skirt, nor would it be appropriate for me too (as per the laws of society, but I don't want to get into that.)

Canar

Dareb wrote:

Lummox, why must you always nay-say?

look.. if you cant make sense of something, think of ways to make something work, then give constructive criticism.

Well, like I've said, I don't see any way your idea will work. The constructive criticism I've had to offer is: Offer some solid incentive to prospective programmers instead of "you'll get paid if this game makes money", and give up on the idea of using any kind of legal agreement unless you pay up front.

I think it's possible for you to oversee a successful game project. It's however nowhere near the realm of possibility to do so under the terms you've repeatedly stated. Those terms are an advantage only to you. As you've seen in other projects here, it's hard to keep a team together even when people are volunteering and not having to make any extra commitments. Requiring legal red tape just to get involved raises the bar past the point where anyone would simply volunteer, or join for a hope of getting something out of it eventually.

Since you asked for something constructive, I have a checklist to offer that should help.

• Develop your idea "on paper". Brainstorm with friends, especially if any have played a lot of games (board/card/arcade/etc.) or made any of their own. The more familiar you or your group are with game theory, the better the result. If you have no such sources of input available, do some research into game theory for different genres of games (especially complex card games like CCGs). Play-test your idea as well as you can with a sort of "home version" of the game, like with a pad-and-pencil RPG.
• With a developed idea, find investors who are willing to buy into the concept, or willing to publish or market your concept when it's ready.
• Using a sketched-out version of your game, describe it for potential team members so they can get a feel for what they'd be involved in, and whether it's worth their time or they even have the skills to do it. Discuss what they think a reasonable timetable might be. Be sure to limit your search to people who know what they're doing; amateur or very inexperienced programmers may underestimate development time. (Experienced ones probably will too, but not as badly.)
• Develop incentives, preferably financial, for people to join your team right away. This is where those investors come in. People who are interested in your concept will be more apt to sign up, but they need more than promises; there has to be some tangible benefit. Here creativity and resourcefulness will really be your friends.
• Throughout this process, continue to repeat step 1. Hone your idea; listen to criticisms about balance issues, time of gameplay, style of gameplay, complexity of the rules, etc. Learning to play more games, and playing them with friends, will improve your design skill and therefore your game.
  
  Note that none of these are particularly easy, but many are doable. I really hope this does help you. We can always stand to have more good games around, and Dantom wouldn't mind seeing the BYOND economy stimulated by a money-maker. But it's important to be realistic about the hurdles involved, the better to surmount them.
  
  Lummox JR