In response to Crispy
Crispy wrote:
Mrhat99au wrote:
The other thing is, i doubt any would break into my house or burn it down, because i dont live in complete anarchy and i never will, and if i do, ill kill my self.

It was an analogy. That doesn't mean it has to be realistic. Duh. Besides, it is realistic - houses get broken into all the time. It's certainly not uncommon. Arson is less frequent, but it is becoming increasingly common recently if you believe the statistics the AFP - Australian Federal Police for you non-Aussies out there - is telling us.

And once we've beaten Suddam up, and kicked him out, well actually help these poor individuals.

Did I forget to mention in my analogy that your house is a bit small? I'm really doing you a favour, burning it down - now you can build it twice as big by buying up the block of land next door, that also caught aflame! I'm just a really generous guy, huh? Don't you wish everyone was like me? Remember kids, arson isn't a crime: it's a service.

Personally, I think conditions won't improve that much for Iraqi residents anyway. Yes, they'll have a "democratically elected" government. Sure they'll have a "democratically elected" government. Everyone gets a vote, but there's only one candidate - the US puppet.

Sarcasm aside, Bush isn't committed to promoting democracy. He's committed to boosting the US economy with a war, and getting his already filthy hands on more oil (again, to lower oil prices and stimulate the economy).


Really, who cares if he takes oil, well then, someone stop him, but i doubt you can, i dont care if he wants oil. If someone has the chance to get something, you'd think they would actually take it.

By the way I have a large house and you live no where near me and if you burn my house, ill fly to your location and snipe you.
In response to Lummox JR
What about that Agent Orange stuff?
In response to Jp
Jp wrote:
What about that Agent Orange stuff?

That was to defoliate the jungles in Vietnam.
In response to SilkWizard
Oh.

What about the DU they used in the first war in Iraq? That still causes cancers today...
But thats probably a nuclear weapon...
Well. Nuclear is still bad.
In response to Mrhat99au
Mrhat99au wrote, without thinking once (let alone twice):
Really, who cares if he takes oil, well then, someone stop him, but i doubt you can, i dont care if he wants oil. If someone has the chance to get something, you'd think they would actually take it.

So Bush should take any chance he can to get oil, even if it means slaughtering hundreds (possibly thousands) of innocent civilians? <font size=+1>GREAT LOGIC, SHERLOCK!</font> You should be one of Bush's advisors - you certainly think the same way they do. Bleh.

Screw the oil. Nobody is objecting to the fact that Bush is trying to obtain oil. They're objecting about the fact that in order to do it, he's going to kill and injure many innocent people.

By the way I have a large house and you live no where near me and if you burn my house, ill fly to your location and snipe you.

*sigh* You just refuse to get the point, don't you? Idiot.
In response to Crispy
Look, whilst oil is something of a cause for this 'war', I side with Spuzzum. This basicly at its most stripped down is a 'war' against a dictator that gets fat and rich like a parasite of his people, killing them on the whim.
I think it should happen, all people deserve to have the chance for freedom.
In response to Maz
Admittedly, I do have some doubts about this war being motivated only by oil, but I simply cannot accept that Bush is doing this to help the Iraqi people. The main reason being, it won't help them much at all; getting carpet bombed wouldn't exactly be the high point of your day. I also have my doubts about whether the US-imposed administration will actually improve the situation very much. (Apart from the whole getting-carpet-bombed thing.)

More likely than not, it's a combination of factors (most of them economic). I think the link Gazoot posted is the best explanation anyone's come up with so far. =)

(I'll repost the link here so you don't have to go digging for Gazoot's post: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html)
In response to Crispy
Its not like they arent already dieing, killing a few more wont matter, and also this is a war, and in wars, people die. And dont you even try saying, how would you feel if you were one of them, because im not one of them and i never will be one of them, so there.
In response to Kusanagi
Hit him in the Allah!
In response to Kunark
hmm.. America goes into deeper debt. And since Canada isnt taking part of the war the canadian dollar will go up.

I just hope America doesnt begrudge Canada for not taking part. its just not our fight, and Im certain that with America's ground war track record they won't even need Canada's help.

You see, you aren't just attacking a paper tiger here, he has terrorist factions and many sympathizers living everywhere in every major city. These people would gladly give up their lives for their leader and frankly, I dont even want to take a chance in pissing them off.

Truth is, Canada isn't equipped to both, defend our citizens AND take part in a war.
In response to Air Mapster
oh my god... i just had a horrible thought.

Saddam is designing chemical weapons and he has oil..

dude, hes gonna taint the oil!
In response to Kusanagi
I say that while Saddam fortifies himself in his fortress/mansion or whatever hes in/will be in.

That American troops set up a regular old fashioned catapult.. take a septic tank, and launch it.

I say corner the bastard, but don't kill him. run him out of Iraq as a homeless pennyless man. completely exile him and at the same time nationally embarrass him.

For a man such as he, its the ultimate payment.
In response to Jp
Jp wrote:
Oh.

What about the DU they used in the first war in Iraq? That still causes cancers today...
But thats probably a nuclear weapon...
Well. Nuclear is still bad.

Depleted uranium is less radioactive than you are.

As a simple rule, all matter is in fact radioactive; most is just so extremely stable that it wouldn't count for much. But the human body has carbon-14, and I believe a potassium isotope as well, that makes us actually slightly radioactive--in a very insignificant way. Depleted uranium is less radioactive than that.

Depleted uranium emits a type of radiation easily stopped by human skin, and at a level that's negligible. (And I don't mean negligible by Lode Wars standards, either. As someone put it a while back, you'd take in more radiation over a lifetime by moving 100 feet higher in altitude than by living next to a block of depleted uranium.)

The only real danger from depleted uranium is heavy metals poisoning, like what humans might get from lead. But the amount of depleted uranium used would be insignificant next to the lead in the bullets fired, since it's mostly used for a kind of anti-tank round. Overall there'd be way too little of the stuff to harm anybody, except of course whomever the ordinance was originally aimed at.

Lummox JR
Canada refused to help because the States is attacking Iraq against what the UN believes they should do. I understand that Sadam is a threat to the States and the world but the USA could suffer if the UN saw what they were doing as wrong ... but then again the USA is basically the UN. :P I was discussing this in civics class with my teacher and he believes that if the States disobeys the UN and goes to war this will make other countries feel like they can go to war agaist the UN's permission. The Usa is a big brother to many other countries and many will follow their example if they can...
In response to Unowuero
Unowuero wrote:
I was discussing this in civics class with my teacher and he believes that if the States disobeys the UN and goes to war this will make other countries feel like they can go to war agaist the UN's permission.

Many, perhaps most, of them already do feel this way. If you take a look at a list of international armed conflicts that have arisen since the founding of the UN, and how many of them were actually initiated with UN approval, you may be quite surprised.
In response to Lummox JR
Aren't depleted uranium cores going to be used as ammunition for railguns?


<<>>Kusanagi<<>>
canadians agreed to protect the borders. not to attack iraq though.
In response to Lummox JR
Yes, anti-tank....DU is extremely dense.
In response to Crispy
They're not going to carpet bomb cities. If you really think they are, you need to read up on your military tactics. Besides, if they carpet bombed a city, they would be in deep crap.
In response to Mrhat99au
Mrhat99au wrote:
Its not like they arent already dieing, killing a few more wont matter

You're just restating your original statement in different ways, rather than arguing my previous answers. I rest my case.

and also this is a war, and in wars, people die.

EXACTLY. That's why I'm arguing against having a war. Not that there's much of a point now, as it's already started. Bah humbug.

And dont you even try saying, how would you feel if you were one of them, because im not one of them and i never will be one of them, so there.

But what if you were? Would you still feel the same way? You're dodging my questions, and you know it.

Please, do the honourable thing and back out of this before you make yourself look like even more of an idiot.
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