Doesn't mean to release their work. Just because all these other people had their sources released/leaked doesn't mean everyone's source should be released/leaked.
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Of course not, I wasn't really making a point about this topic I was just making a metaphorical point of if everything was open sourced. One can dream!
Personally, I would appreciate that permission was asked but you know, its byond and people be rippin'. If everything functioned on an open source basis, nobody would have anything to be worried about as it would all be readily available and thus nothing would be "secret" and "unobtainable" and thus not as "desirable". As people say, its mostly the chase that is exciting. | |
I agree, in the aspect that dead games should be open sourced, so to at least allow other to continue or play. That's not up to the player or community, though. Just the right owners.
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One benefit of open-sourcing is that backups are widespread so if the creator loses their most source (which happens to us all) they can get it back (or at least a version of it)!
This is one really nice, time saving feature. I remember one-time when I was younger that someone saved me hours of work just by finding a temp file of a set of rules I was making that I had lost before saving (simply because I had shown it to them before so they were able to get it back for me). I completely agree on the creator having the say. The last thing anyone wants is for their source to be leaked (but if you understand open-sourcing is an immediate means to combat leaking, then enough said!). After I get Pondera where I want it I am considering open-sourcing it merely for the sake of advancing it further than I am capable! After all, most of the programming is made by others so it is only proper to give it back (in my case, anyway). | |
I haven't lost a source ever since I started using Dropbox years ago. Since then, I've also used Google Drive and am currently storing my projects in OneDrive. I'd like to get into stuff like GitHub but I'm too lazy and it only slows down my quick prototyping, so it doesn't seem necessary for what I've been doing.
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Yeah, I haven't utilized any of those services I just have tons of extra copies all over my hard-drives, flash drives, memory sticks, etc. I haven't lost a source since my first one way back in 05 I believe.
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I finally started using OneDrive, since I'm now working on a project that I've already lost twice... Really wish I'd started using something years ago.
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This whole thread makes me sick. Releasing others work without permission is completely immoral. Just because the content is digital does not make it right by any means.
As for developers losing their projects, that's their own fault. This day in age developers should be using at minimum one type of cloud backup service. People tend to think that because these projects are not physical(like something in your house) that it's okay to just give it away, when in fact it is not. What's done is done, but those of you advocating releasing software that does not belong to you should be ashamed of yourselves. | |
Lavenblade wrote:
This whole thread makes me sick. Releasing others work without permission is completely immoral. Just because the content is digital does not make it right by any means. Did you just rush to anger or did you actually read the thread? Most agree that permission should be sought first, in-fact that is majority consensus. | |
AERProductions wrote:
Did you just rush to anger or did you actually read the thread? Actually, from my perspective it looks like you recommended releasing it, and then when disagreed with backtracked, claiming you said something contrary to what your prior statement indicated. So... Yeah, outside perspective and all that. Take it for what you will. | |
I don't really care what your perspective is, it doesn't mean it is accurate.
I simply made the point that open sourcing can be beneficial and I never backtracked, for I am not a politician but merely someone who perceives all paths instead of limiting myself. My personal belief is that permission should always be asked for the release of source-code that has never been public. I never backtracked on that and I never will because it is the same thing I would want for my project and always have. @Post below - Sorry, not trying to be mean or anything just I see the "backtrack" comment as somewhat of an assault on me (and undeserved) which is why I responded in the manner I did. Not personal and no hard feelings. :) | |
I don't really care what your perspective is, it doesn't mean it is accurate. Nice to meet you too. It's nice to have rational, level-headed, positive, and helpful people around here. AERProductions wrote: Not personal SMH | |
Lavitiz wrote:
Lugia319 Immoral Developer Confirmed. I agree, these are the kinds of "people" who make developing harder to do (especially when they steal art and sell it to others even though it is clearly copyrighted). Just another opportunist who will make up any excuse to attempt to justify their bad behaviour. | |
"People"? What am I, an Alien(x262)?
See, the unfortunate thing about copyrights is that they're only as strong as the money you have backing them up. On top of that, morality is entirely relative. "Good", "bad", it's all relative to your point of view. It would be a crime to myself to not take advantage of everything I can. The morals of society are not absolute. If you protect your assets properly, stealing it isn't an issue. " | |
Lugia319 wrote:
It would be a crime to myself to not take advantage of everything I can. Do you legitimately think that? I don't even know how you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror. I'm sorry, but majority of people don't like liars and thieves. | |
Lugia319 wrote:
"People"? What am I, an Alien(x262)? The Societal concepts of protection don't matter, the point is you take peoples work/effort/passion and use it to gain for yourself. That is pure scum and nothing you say will justify it. Jerk. Do you really think that is bettering yourself in any other way other than materially? Because it certainly isn't. You attempting to defend or justify it just shows you have a guilty-conscience because you have committed exactly this! This is like you taking the Japanese weapons I happily gave to a project for them to use, as long as they gave me credit and then you go and sell them to others for your gain. That is despicable behaviour and only criminals act that way and try to justify it as if it is not a problem! Sure, the internet may seem "free" where you can just take whatever you want but when you truly support something you should be happy to purchase it, not sell others work for your material gain. Low down. I happily put my work on the internet for free and generally don't ask for credit or royalties and I know people make millions off of my ideas, but what happens when the ideas run out? What happens when people like me stop giving out my stuff for free (or just stop producing at all?). People like you go "out of business", that's what. You should at least have the courtesy to be appreciative and know your boundaries. This is the reason Byond had so much trouble as a community way back when because everyone would just steal each others pixel art or sources and sell it. It is disgusting. | |
AERProductions wrote:
The Societal concepts of protection don't matter, the point is you take peoples work/effort/passion and use it to gain for yourself. That is pure scum and nothing you say will justify it. Jerk. Do you really think that is bettering yourself in any other way other than materially? Because it certainly isn't. Uhhh, does it matter if it doesn't better me in any way other than materially? Maybe there's an afterlife in which we are judged based on the actions we did in life. Maybe there isn't. We don't know. What we DO know, is that the life we have right now IS real. And why should we suffer in life for a CHANCE at something good after it when we can WIN in life and enjoy our life, which we KNOW is real. Why suffer today for a better tomorrow when you don't know if tomorrow is gonna be there, ya feel? You attempting to defend or justify it just shows you have a guilty-conscience because you have committed exactly this! Actually no. I have no problem "stealing" stuff if I can get away with it. If you can get away with something and it will benefit you, there is literally NO REASON TO NOT DO IT. If I could rob a bank and I knew that there was a reasonable probability of me getting away with it, I'd do it. This is like you taking the Japanese weapons I happily gave to a project for them to use, as long as they gave me credit and then you go and sell them to others for your gain. That is despicable behaviour and only criminals act that way and try to justify it as if it is not a problem! It's not a problem. I benefit, and the recipient benefits. I saved them the legwork of finding it, perfectly acceptable to sell it. Sure, the internet may seem "free" where you can just take whatever you want but when you truly support something you should be happy to purchase it, not sell others work for your material gain. Low down. If we go out of business, how is that any of your concern? You're acting like I'm hurting you when your last point is that I'm hurting me. So... contradiction. On top of that, you said you and I quote "I happily put my work on the internet for free and generally don't ask for credit or royalties and I know people make millions off of my ideas, " So how is any of this a problem for you? You should at least have the courtesy to be appreciative and know your boundaries. This is the reason Byond had so much trouble as a community way back when because everyone would just steal each others pixel art or sources and sell it. It is disgusting. See, the problem, again, is that people aren't securing their resources properly. | |
Does anyone else agree with Lugia319...?
Hands, please. | |
OH man, all I have ever dreamed of was to have functioning programming. If everything was open source, all of the games would be that much higher quality and maybe even be completed without being abandoned from lack of development artists!
Luckily, I can run a one person show.