If the Xbox is the best, how come the only current generation console selling worse than it is the Dreamcast?

Here's a link to delete that post, Ter13:

http://developer.byond.com/forum/ index.cgi?action=message_delete&message=232618&forum=7

Because you can get a used DC, sixteen games, four controllers, and 2 memory cards for around $2.50

...Well, you know what I mean! I saw a Dreamcast with a bundled game for $25.00, which really is a good buy.

~Kujila

lol i read that xbox deflecting bullets post on gamefaqs.com

Hmmmm.... linux on Microsoft platforms... *universe implodes*

Linux is the bane of Microsoft! ...Or is Microsoft the bane of Linux? *Head explodes*

Ter13 wrote:
> lol, XBoxes have more powerful processors than PS2s, that and they have overflow processing, unlike the PS2, which hangs when it reaches 100% CPU.

System specs have nothing to do with the greatness of a console engine. It's all about the games, and arguably, X-Box has a very low point in those speculations. Which is why i'm rooting for the original creators of the consoles, the Playstation 2 and the Gamecube. The PS2 has many, many games, and the majority of them aren't half-bad. The Gamecube lacks many things but, however, they have some of the greatest games ever made (in my honest opinion)!

> Oh, and my playstation 2, I'm using it as a stand for my XBox, so it doesn't get hair and dust in it from the carpet.

Look here buddy, if you're going to start some kind of flame war about consoles, then I suggest you take your X-box loving butt and high-tail it out of these forums. Any moderator please take into my request of deletion of this space-wasting, time-wasting, offending piece of a so called "thread".

Ter13 wrote:
> I did not start a flame war, you were just hostile without provocation, the only thing expressing emotion in your quote was the "lol" at the top. I suggest you either ignore it or accept it, it'll pass.

Hmm, I don't suppose you are from around these parts aren't you? Usually expressing your opinion with strong belief can usually lead to a flame war. Why? Because other people have different opinions, in which case I doubtfully know that this will evolve into a flame war.

I hold no grudges here (exceptions are DBZ rippers), but if you want to be a true gentleman, then I suggest you stop replying to this topic. I know a great deal of people whom was offended by your posts as by saying "X-Box is better then PS2".

Excuse me, I addressed in most of my statements that this was my opinion, and each system had their own merits. I STRONGLY suggest you butt out, hyppocrite

this statement:

Hmm, I don't suppose you are from around these parts aren't you? Usually expressing your opinion with strong belief can usually lead to a flame war. Why? Because other people have different opinions, in which case I doubtfully know that this will evolve into a flame war.

does not fit with this one:

System specs have nothing to do with the greatness of a console engine. It's all about the games, and arguably, X-Box has a very low point in those speculations. Which is why i'm rooting for the original creators of the consoles, the Playstation 2 and the Gamecube. The PS2 has many, many games, and the majority of them aren't half-bad. The Gamecube lacks many things but, however, they have some of the greatest games ever made (in my honest opinion)!

or this one:

Look here buddy, if you're going to start some kind of flame war about consoles, then I suggest you take your X-box loving butt and high-tail it out of these forums. Any moderator please take into my request of deletion of this space-wasting, time-wasting, offending piece of a so called "thread".

look man, I know the rules to this forum, and people who ddemand other people shut their mouths just because their opinion does not match another's, well, I can't say much about the rest of the community, but if you want to start a flame war, you got it. This was a peaceful, and moderately heated debate until you showed up. The only thing I said that was remotely rude before now was that Jon88's statements were ignorant of my previous statements. He was saying the XBox console sucked because it had a lot of the games the PS2 and Gamecube have, whereas, I was saying Hardware capabilities of the XBOX far outmatch those of the Gamecube and in many areas, the PS2. This was not a flame war. I doubt you read most of this thread, hell, I doubt you will even read most of this post. You'll just read until you interpret something as offensive, and then quote it so that you can yell out "Admin, please help me, this guy's being mean to me"

You act like I'm some ignorant first-month BYONDer, when in actuality, I am closer to three years on this community. This give me no more status than your two-month carcass, but people KNOW that I am sarcastic, impatient, and very opinionated, but don't have much issue with it. For the most part, however, you act as though there is an "I hate Ter13's XBox Posts Anonymous" group meeting unbeknownst to me, "I know several people who are offended by your statements", yeah, well I know of several people throughout history who committed mass-genocide, but that does not make them right, now does it?

And second of all, the administrators deal with what they think is unacceptable, and this thread has been up for several days, I think if they were going to delete it, they would have by now, it's not like we are rambling on without a topic, or swearing at each other, but if you want to, by all means do, it would be of no loss to be if you were banned.

I hold no grudges here (exceptions are DBZ rippers), but if you want to be a true gentleman, then I suggest you stop replying to this topic. I know a great deal of people whom was offended by your posts as by saying "X-Box is better then PS2".

Finnally, there is nothing ungentlemanly of having an opinion, there is a word in there: man, related to human, also closely related to mortal, and mortals are fallable, which means they MUST have opinions, it is my born right to be able to form an opinion, and the right to express it is so given by the constitution, there is absolutely NOTHING ungentlemanly about intelligent thought.


Now note: I could have gone personal and insulted you a hundred times over in this article, but I left the numbers low, you know, just so the big words don't overwhelm you.

This is the last post I expect to be sending to you today, or any time in the future.

~Ter

the XBox and game cube have sold 14.9 million each, they are neck and neck, and I apologize if I said that, but the Gamecube's titles, IN MY OPINION aren't nintendo quality, don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, but the N64 was barely a success, and the Gamecube is not doing great, but again, I restate, The Gamecube's capabilities for Polygons-per-second are in first place among the three, but the Gamecube is in last place for other features. Be it that titles don't make the system, I just don't think the Gamecube's capabilities live up to what PS2 or XBox have managed to achieve, hell, no game has ever been released that has taken up even 30% of The XBox's resources, or more than 70% of the PS2's! Ther eis still a lot of room for improvement there, and I'd like to see what happens soon.

But for the time being, I think I'm going to stick with XBox, sure, Vice city on PS2 is fun, but with it's ability to eat cars when you leave them, and for floors to drop out from under you while you are driving, just plain sucks, and doesn't happen as much in the XBox version. However, because of XBox's inability to just let you play DVD's without buying a thirty dollar kit, well, I hate my XBox now. YOu have to buy a remote to play DVDs! How unfair is that! all the hardware in the XBox can do this without it, but the remote is the only way to access it! Damn you marketing tactics!

alright, YOu want to be smart? I'll continue our little discussion.

In the below articles, you will find every sentence I wrote on this thread, in ONE thread did I make a comment that was not disclaimered. I apologize if I offended anyone, but you all have to learn that disclaimers only breed further ignorance... by letting the dumb people survive.

Anyway, I do not feel that I have started a flame war, I feel that you have come in unsolicited, and insulted me, and alienated my right to have an opinion. In FIVE out of these six posts, I listed the merits and pitfalls of each system, including those of the XBox. You have been making hyppocritical comments throughout your posts, first you say I have no right to override the opinions of others, and then you do so By saying I am too much of an XBox enthusiast to be listened to. I am not an XBox enthusiast, as a matter of fact, if you had been here as long as you say, you would have read my NUMEROUS anti-microsoft posts. At first, I was pro-Gamecube, bought it, played it, sold it three months ago, then I bought a PS2, brand new, within a year, the thing stopped working 90% of the time. Disc Read failure, 9 out of 10 people I know that own a PS2 have found that after a while, the PS2 does not work most of the time. I am now using my PS2 as a stand for my XBox, which I might add I like a lot more, the controllers are roomier, and don't cramp my hands, and are more durable, and I can't crush the plastic by gripping the controller had in frustration. I have broken three PS2 controllers because of my squeezing habit (if you count the DualShock 1 as a PS2 controller). Honestly, I like PS2's titles, but have found very little to keep me entertained within them, I enjoy shooters, and for shooters, XBox is the place to go.

Oreo, you are deserving of whatever hostility I have given you, you brought it down upon yourself, and are provoking wholly this "flame war". YOu can't just say "Bad Ter! You were about to start a flame war!", the person has to commit the crime to be guilty, it's like arresting a poor person for looking into a shop window for F's sake!

And furthermore, I reccommend that you read these below posts, you will find that they have NOT been edited, and that only ONCE did I say that gamecube sucked, whiich in my OPINION, it did, now, if you discredit that opinion, you are TRULY a hyppocrite.


Post # 1:

I'm going to buy an XBox and Halo tomorrow with the haul I got from christmas! $225 USD in just one day, SCORE!

Post #2:

...Sorry guys,I still say the XBox is better than the PS2, the XBOX just has better games. Please read on before flaming me for this remark.

Well, the XBox has a huge ammount of memory, so less loading time.

It has about 70% of the games PS2 have, and about 30% that Gamecube has. Also, about 80% are on PC as well, but the problem with PCs, typically they cost $800-$1000 for a good one.

On top of all this, 90% of the new games being released for XBox are on XBox live. PS2 boasts about two or three dozen titles for online at best. Next: Xbox has a built in headset, I have not heard of any such product on PS2.

XBox requires a highspeed connection to play any online games. A MAJOR Plus, because PS2 does not have a spawn procedure for their online games. You see, if a slow player connects to the world, the PS2 waits for the package the world sent their modem, and then waits for the response package, and then if subsequent time passes, it sends another package. XBOX, however, does not allow slow connections, it even does not by default allow AOL Highspeed. XBox does not wait for packages to be sent back, it simply sets a background procedure to kick the player off the server after a certain ammount of time passes.

Unfortunately with XBOX, you have to reconfigure your router so that the XBox can connect. I dunno what the deal is, but the XBox tends to send unsolicited packages, and most routers, like my NETGEAR have to be configure before it will accept them.

If you blame XBox for having all the games the other systems have, you really are just looking for an excuse to hate XBox just because they are a Microsoft product. Look, if you are blaming a system for having a diverse array of games, it's not much of an insult. And as for the games being on PC, it's easier and cheaper to buy the games on XBox, that is, to circumvent the process of upgrading the computer all the freakin' time.

Anyway, I'm done, oh yeah, and Gamecube just plain sucks.

Post #3:

...i'm sorry, but how is buying a radeon or voodoo3 chip cheaper than Xbox games, these chips can run for as much as $200, more than an XBox, and are REQUIRED to play these games, PC games are usually $60 XBOX games at release are usually $60, but greatest hits are $14 to $15.

MOST people already have a computer, true, but MOST people don't have more than a 4 gig hard drive, or more than 256M of memory, OR more than a 600mhz processor. A decent system has at least 40gig hd, 512M of ram, minimum, and a 1.1ghz processor, not to mention a graphics card, or 3D excellerator. A good computer can run you anywhere from $800 to $1000 dollars, once again, read my full post. AND, before you respond, MOST people don't have a current or decent computer.

Post #4:

I'm talking what most people have, not what they can buy.

the second example is the buy example.

Post #5:

...I have no idea what your last statement has to do with anything I just said... Honestly, I do not believe you have read either post I just made. AND, if you did, I do not think you comprehended what I said in them.

I give up, I do not agree, but I quit, this argument is far too ignorant and futile to even be a part of anymore. Yes, each system has it's merits, the PS2's ability to reduce polygon errors, and it's data stream speeds, the Gamecube with it's fast reading and built-in graphics cards (which are far more extensive than Ps2 or XBox), and the XBox with it's speed and built-in hard drive.

In terms of console, XBox is probably the best, but in terms of media, it's a tossup. That's my final post on this subject.

Post #6:

lol, XBoxes have more powerful processors than PS2s, that and they have overflow processing, unlike the PS2, which hangs when it reaches 100% CPU.

Oh, and my playstation 2, I'm using it as a stand for my XBox, so it doesn't get hair and dust in it from the carpet.

Enjoy your 128bits! I will enjoy both.