In response to Luap
Luap wrote:
Kusanagi wrote:
I bet you sooner or later some congressman/woman is going to find one that video and use it to help support a bill to ban violent video games.

Assuming you're referring to America, there's very little chance of violent video games being banned. The whole first ammendment thing is pretty strong. If pornography hasn't been outright banned yet, violent video games certainly aren't going to be. Most of the major congressional initiatives have been to put restrictions on violent video games to try to keep them away from minors. Might the video reflect badly on video game players as a group? Yup. But video games aren't going to get banned anytime soon.

Don't be so certain that there are no loop holes, it is very possible for violent video games to be banned from America.

Two differences: First, an athlete's bone is fairly irreplacable and is surrounded by alot of nerves. The bone might fix itself depending on how significant of shattering we're talking about, but there's a good chance it'll never be the same. And the athlete will be in actual physical pain. The player's computer is broken but with the exception of the harddrive (which could've survived the throw, I'm not familiar with the durability of harddrives personally) everything is replacable and the pain is all in his head. Perhaps a better example would be if a biker in the tour de france had some little hidden motor on his bike and they found it and broke his bike.

Your missing the point of that, I was merely pointing out how they were overreacting in the situation, just like if they hurt someone for cheating in the olympics it would be overreacting.


I'm in no way condoning the destruction of private property. Assuming that the tape is real footage the tournament hosts acted irresponsibly and immaturely. But that's what happens any time you have people competing for money. Plenty of people were killed for cheating in poker games over the years. Video Games aren't the only sort of games with the occasional crime- Remember Nancy Kerrigen? The people on the tape did something wrong, but that's not at all a problem inherent to video gamers. Its human nature. Deplorable or not, justified or not, if you let people compete with each other its going to happen.

If your going to be so straightforward and pointing out comparisons, then gambling is not something you can really compare to playing a video game. One has a large connection with illegal activity, and mafias of the such. Video games on the other hand usually deal with straightforward technical saavy type people, and the only thing illegal these guys might do would have to end up being marked as cybercrimes. Sure money would be a factor in this, but that doesn't change the circumstances over so much. You gotta admit, bringing a computer game to such a level where you commit physical acts of violence and destruction of private property, then you are taking it too far.
In response to Kusanagi
Kusanagi wrote:
Don't be so certain that there are no loop holes, it is very possible for violent video games to be banned from America.

There is of course always one possibility: A constitutional ammendment. However, amassing a super-majority in congress and convincing enough of the states for it to pass is very difficult. Plus, look at the precedent of flag-burning. A super-majority in congress supported a bill to ban it, but when the Supreme Court said the law was unconstitutional and they tried to pass a constitutional ammendment it failed. Many congressman are reluctant to turn policy issues into Constiutional Ammendments. The loophole of the bill of rights not applying to the States was ended with the fourteenth ammendment. No supreme court would uphold a ban on violent video games because of the serious precedents it would hold for other forms of media, most notably books. There are often loopholes in the law, but not really many in the Constitution

Your missing the point of that, I was merely pointing out how they were overreacting in the situation, just like if they hurt someone for cheating in the olympics it would be overreacting.

If your going to be so straightforward and pointing out comparisons, then gambling is not something you can really compare to playing a video game. One has a large connection with illegal activity, and mafias of the such. Video games on the other hand usually deal with straightforward technical saavy type people, and the only thing illegal these guys might do would have to end up being marked as cybercrimes. Sure money would be a factor in this, but that doesn't change the circumstances over so much. You gotta admit, bringing a computer game to such a level where you commit physical acts of violence and destruction of private property, then you are taking it too far.

Actually, there's a very close comparison between the too. Does some percentage of gambling have mafia connections? Yes, of course. But the illegal activity and the mafias are not a necessary component for violence to occur. Probably the highest level of gambling caused violence was in the Old West, well before any large mafias. There were small groups of friends who watched out for each other, of course, but games have these too in clans and guilds. Poker started out as a card game, no good or bad connotation to it. The crime came first, then came the bad reputation. As for video games dealing with technical saavy people, that has nothing to do with propensity for crime. I've met plenty of jerks on the internet I wouldn't hold above thug violence. Alot of poker players in the old west were just pioneers. $50,000 (as someone else said was the pot of this tournament) is as big as many high-stakes gambling games. You invest a huge portion of your money hoping to get more back but standing to lose it. If someone tries to unfairly take your investment (and as people often see it "their" $50,000) you get angry at them. You trusted them to play fair and they didn't. Whether you're playing a video game or a card game, the same elements are all there.

As I said before, I absolutely think they went to far. But I don't think the distance they went was at all unexpected given the situation. Video Gamers are not any sort of unique group of people above mob mentality or anger. This same sort of thing and much much much worse has happened to cheaters in all different situations and games. There's a definate precedent for bodily or financial harm to cheaters.
In response to DarkView
I agree, it would have been a stunt. I'm looking at the video again now to see what else I can spot.

Aha, I thought so; I'm almost sure, that the case has no motherboard in it. It's quite likely a mostly empty case; there's a power supply in there, but a cheap case and power supply aren't that expensive. Some people would have spare ones sitting around anyway. I think there are some disk drives in there, though, but the quality of the video is so bad that they could easily just be floppy drives for all I can see.
In response to Scoobert
A judge was just sitting in his house looking at the window where he sees this guy stab this other man. A few days later the case comes to the judge's court and the judge cant call him guilty because he has no proof. there was no evidence good enuf to proove him guilty and ne evidence that there was could easily be opposed by other evidence. so the killer gets away with stabbing the guy whilst being watched by the judge who takes on the murder case.
In response to Crispy
Yeah. I was actually thinking that myself. It makes a fair mess when it hits the ground, but even if it had a mother board there is no way to tell what the quality of it was. Also there isn't anything connected to anything else. The drives appear to be in as well as the power source, but no ribbon.
Judging by the name of the file (cheaterlow) I'm guessing cheaterhigh exists and is a higher quality version.
Even if they were more then scrap parts and it actually could play Counter-Stike it'd be cheaper then most ads.
In response to DeathAwaitsU
Wouldn't the judge be a whitness? They'd also give the case to someone else, can't be a judge and a whitness.
In response to DarkView
DarkView wrote:
Wouldn't the judge be a whitness? They'd also give the case to someone else, can't be a judge and a whitness.

That, and I've never heard of a murder trial going through the system THAT quickly. The defense and the prosecution has to have time to gather their case, and the police have to finish their investigation...so, meh.
In response to Teh Governator
What do u mean that quickly? It took them days or maybe weeks. I wasnt there at the time so i wouldnt know.
In response to DarkView
i'll ask my grandfather(supreme court judge who told me the story) and then i'll tell u.
In response to DeathAwaitsU
"...A few days later the case comes to the judge's court and..."
In response to Scoobert
Personally, I don't think they can afford to ban voilent video games. They've become to much apart of the ecnomy. And, how in the world are they going to enforce it? Are they going to have police officers come into your house every day to search for violent video games? If they ban them, all they will do is put more money into smugglers pockets and raise the crime rate (With all the bored and angry kids). It's just not American to take something away. Although, I must admit I wouldn't mind a nation wide ban on smoking...
In response to DarkCampainger
DarkCampainger wrote:
Although, I must admit I wouldn't mind a nation wide ban on smoking...

And, they've already tried that with alcohol and illegal drugs (marijuana, coke, etc...). Put it simply, it'll just create for drug trafficing and higher crime rates.
In response to DeathAwaitsU
Ok here's what he said:

The story isnt based in the 21st century. Its a very very old story in a time where there were barely any judges, only about 1 or 2 around. So (as u said) he couldn't be a witness.
In response to DeathAwaitsU
One or two judges? When was this? You realize before america was setup we have british "judges" here, and there were far more than 1 or 2.
In response to Jotdaniel
No i didnt know that but this is not set in the MED west but rather the LED east. I believe it some have been village.
In response to DeathAwaitsU
Could you explain MED and LED? Also, in a village, I'm thinking trial by jury was out of the question. Most likely judge set the sentance or an angry mob.
In response to Jotdaniel
MED = More economically developed...
LED = Less economically developed...

you may know it as MEDC or LEDC(but i was talking about a single country but a whole area)

Look trust me, there was 1 judge in there town who saw it and couldn't do anything. ITS A TRUE STORY.
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