A game making program

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Nov 27 2004, 8:13 pm
Can someone link me to a different game making program? I don't hate byond but I want to go further than it. I was told to try out Game Maker but I didn't like the way it was set up. The drop and drag set up...I'd like it similiar to byond, where I have a blank page and I code in what I want to code in. It doesn't neccessarily have to be simple, I'm not a novice at programming.

Also, I'd prefer something I could possibly do 3-d in, but doesn't have to be 3-d.


Thanks.
Nov 27 2004, 9:04 pm
Well, try LTPB. It's easy, understandable, unless you hate the simple stuff. LTPB = "Learn To Program: BASIC," but it's only for real newbie programmers. If you want a copy, hit me up, it's real hard to find one nowadays, they aren't even sold in stores anymore, it's one of those "Projects Gone Bad."
Nov 27 2004, 9:10 pm
In response to Lenox
I'm not needing to learn how to program, I'm wanting something similiar to byond but will allow me to go further.
Nov 27 2004, 9:18 pm
In response to Rifthaven
Well, I mean, it's different then BYOND, it's not *AS* limited as BYOND, but it's still pretty limited. You can really get to 3d with very little lag if any at all. NOTE: And it is similar to BYOND in some ways, except the File Size limit.
Nov 27 2004, 10:40 pm
If you want to make 3D games etc..You should go and learn C++.
Nov 27 2004, 10:48 pm
The only 3D "game maker" type of program I've seen is the PIE 3D Game Creation System, and to be honest it's pretty crap. Their site appears to have died, too, so I don't think you'll have much luck there.

A Google search for "3D gamemaker" turns up this. I have no idea whether it's any good, and there doesn't appear to be a free version. The same people make DarkBASIC, but that's based on BASIC and thus can't be very good. =P

I'd recommend that you learn a "real" programming language and use that. I particularly recommend Python, perhaps in combination with the pygame library. The pygame library can do 3D via OpenGL, I'm told.

But finally, a warning: 3D game creation is much, much more complicated than 2D game creation.
Nov 27 2004, 10:50 pm
In response to Crispy
Well, C++ isn't bad, I've heard that Delphi isn't too bad, but I don't know, I have never never tried it, and I gave up on C++ after I couldn't fix all 80 bugs in this source I had X_X
Nov 27 2004, 10:52 pm
In response to Lenox
C++ is... complicated. More often than not you have to deal with raw memory, which can get verrrrry messy and buggy.

Delphi isn't too bad, but you're effectively limited to Windows and the language is a bit verbose for my liking.
Nov 28 2004, 12:44 am (Edited by moderator on Nov 28 2004, 1:17 am)
Rifthaven wrote:
Can someone link me to a different game making program? I don't hate byond but I want to go further than it. I was told to try out Game Maker but I didn't like the way it was set up. The drop and drag set up...I'd like it similiar to byond, where I have a blank page and I code in what I want to code in. It doesn't neccessarily have to be simple, I'm not a novice at programming.

Also, I'd prefer something I could possibly do 3-d in, but doesn't have to be 3-d.


Thanks.

If you want a game maker your stuck with <FONT COLOR=GREEN>[dungy]</FONT> things like Game Maker and such. You could try Java?

Censoring one letter of your swear words does not make them acceptable on the forums. Please avoid using them all together. Thanks. <FONT COLOR=GREEN>--Volte</FONT>
Nov 28 2004, 7:18 am
In response to Crispy
I'll probably just have to do something with either C++ or Java. I've done a bit in both of the languages so hopefully it won't be too hard to go advanced in.
Nov 28 2004, 7:28 am
In response to Rifthaven
In order to start making graphical type games (3d or not) with C++ and Java, do I just need a simple compiler? Because I have one for both C++ and Java. OR do I need more software?
Nov 28 2004, 7:29 am
In response to Rifthaven
Rifthaven wrote:
In order to start making graphical type games (3d or not) with C++ and Java, do I just need a simple compiler? Because I have one for both C++ and Java. OR do I need more software?

You might want some of the better (3D too) graphic editors.
Nov 28 2004, 7:32 am
In response to Kholint
Right, I'll have to check into those.
Nov 28 2004, 8:44 am
Rule #1 of the Earth: Life isn't easy. =)

What you gain in ease of use, you lose in power. BYOND, Game Maker, and any of the other game-making utilities out there are no exceptions (BYOND has greater programming power, Game Maker has greater graphical power, but neither language can be fairly compared to the potential power of a general purpose language like Python).

In other words, if you want to be able to do 3D stuff and the like, Game Maker is likely to be your ticket despite its interface. Failing that, it's either buying a program like 3D-RAD or switching to full-fledged computer programming.


(For some odd reason, I get a serious kick out of describing how weak modern computers still are. =P)
Nov 29 2004, 2:34 pm
If you do a google search for "Game Creation Resources", the first result is good:

http://www.ambrosine.com/resource.html

It has a TON of different Game Making tools. Check it out.
Hope this may help you out.
Nov 29 2004, 2:37 pm
In response to Elemental_Knight
Quote:
Engines/Authorware for Non-Programmers

Byond create online games and applications using a simple programming language </Quote>

Heh, BYOND is there...and they didn't capitilize the letters!
Nov 30 2004, 5:21 am
3dGameStudio (http://www.conitec.net/a4info.htm) isn't bad if you want to do 3D games. It's easily extended with C++ or VB. However if you want to do online games with more than 4 players, you need the $899 professional version.