Kujila wrote:
and was the first school in the nation to deploy handheld computers to each and every student and staff member in the building. Do you have to give them back when you leave? Is it a big fancy privet school? If not, I wanna go there. Actually, who the hell am I kidding. I wanna go there anyway. | |
DarkView wrote:
SSJ2GohanDBGT wrote: I think that has part in the reason for ,"dress code". I don't understand the use of an identification card otherwise. I am not sure how public schools here in Arkansas do. Havn't gone to one in a long while , luckily I got enrolled in a small family private school about five years ago wich I now work as a student teacher. | |
DarkView wrote:
I don't think that's what they're trying to achive. I would agree with you, except for two reasons. Reason one: Anyone could walk into the school and do almost anything if they didn't look like a student. Reason tow: Everyone knew everyone. If there was a new person, everyone knew about it pretty quick. I would agree with the system in larger school districts, and the lunch system based on the thing was awesome. | |
Hey Sariat, it's been a while. Nice to see that you're standing up against school injustice with non-violent methods! Gandhi would've been proud. :) If you like, here are some tips how to make your campaign even more successful:
1) Be so precise you can be about your demands. Are you against wearing any ID tags at all, or against the collective punishment? Make sure that the principal, teachers and perhaps even the school board knows about the exact reason for your disobedience. This can be easily fixed by an anonymous letter to the principal, for example... 2) If you can get the parents on your side, perfect. Maybe they can solve the situation before you need to do anything. Anything that mentions collective punishment should be enough to start a parental uproar, imo. 3) If all parents cannot be persuaded to help, at least make sure that your parents understand why you're doing this. If they don't, it can be a lot tougher. Getting enemies on both sides, you know! 4) The toughest part: Accept any punishment you get without protests. Just like Gandhi did, this woke so much sympathy from the rest of the world that finally not even the British empire could stand against this man. Martin Luther King is also a shining example of using non-violence to change things. 5) Of course, above all, *no violence*. Hopefully your situation is calm enough, but remember that the school will probably, like any state, take any excuse to turn violence against protestors. And then they'll have the upper hand, no matter what. If you like, I recommend that you read more about Gandhi and Martin Luther King to learn more about non-violence and how to use it. Good luck! /Gazoot | |
When I was first assigned an ID card, in 7th grade, that's the exact reason they gave us. They didn't want people that didn't belong on school property there during school hours, for safety reasons. We were told to were them on a lanyerd around our neck, but the staff noticed that forcing us to do this was going to be nearly impossible. Now we just have to have them with us. If we don't have them, we're forced to go to the back of the lunch line, until the students with their ID have gotten their lunch. We don't get in any type of trouble for not having them, it just makes life a lot easier to have them. What's the big deal anyways? It's only a little chunk of plastic with my sexy picture on it.
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Just what excatly are you going to do when they say "Ok who's idea was this?" Are you just going to stay quiet? If so they'll react by punishing the whole school with something. And chances are, someones going to grass on you so they and the rest of the school doesn't get into trouble.
As for your ID problem, you have to look at it from both point of views. Sure every class is going to get sent to house suspension once or twice but the point is that after that, you wont ever forget. | |
I got suspended for eating a hamburger this year, watch out. That one isn't even a lie heh.
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No, public school. We return them at the end of the school year, and get the same Palm back the next year.
I think we need new ones, though, because ours are aging. ~Kujila | |
DeathAwaitsU wrote:
Just what excatly are you going to do when they say "Ok who's idea was this?" Are you just going to stay quiet? Any proper civil disobedience action posts its reasons and demands for authorities to see before the event starts. If the documents are signed "Students of School XYZ", it should be clear that this is something more than one person is ready to stand up for. (Just be sure that really is true!) If so they'll react by punishing the whole school with something. And chances are, someones going to grass on you so they and the rest of the school doesn't get into trouble. A collective punishment on school level is newspaper stuff, something any respectable school would like to avoid for sure. Getting told on and punished is a part of non-violence. The point is to take the punishment, get the sympathy of others, and tell the authorities "you can do whatever you want to us, but really sorry, we won't follow your rules because we don't like it." As for your ID problem, you have to look at it from both point of views. Sure every class is going to get sent to house suspension once or twice but the point is that after that, you wont ever forget. Incorrect, there will always be someone that forgets the ID for one stupid reason or another. The school should take care of that student immediately, but other people should NEVER be punished because one slacker is too lazy to write a reminder. If you want to increase hostility and aggression amongst students however, collective punishment is a good way to go. /Gazoot | |
You need to really get a life. The school is a community, and the rules are there for one reason or another, and you need to respect them. How hard is it to remeber your ID?
I totally agree with the school policy. It is a good policy to handle. After all the things that have happened in the schools around here, its about time someone took charge. In our school, if you don't have proper ID and the correct papers, they will escort you by police off the school grounds. And if you think they can't do anything about protesting, you are completely wrong. They can and will give the entire school detentions if they feel it is needed. in 2002 at my local high school, the female vollyball team got screwed in some way or manner. They managed to get over half the school to protest by sitting outside the class rooms, while class was in progress. You know what my school did? Any studen who was caught doing this was given a month of detentions. And anyone who skipped three or more detention was expelled for the rest of the year. And the femle vollyball team got it the worst, all of their games for the rest of the year were cancled, it was like they just quit. They were charged with trying to create a public disturbence and interfear with public learning or something. So if you think they can't do anything to you, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Standing up for your rights is one thing, trying to cause trouble, create a disturbence and piss people off thats another, and from what I read, thats all it seems like to me what you are trying to do. | |
Shades wrote:
You need to really get a life. The school is a community, and the rules are there for one reason or another, and you need to respect them. How hard is it to remeber your ID? Should you get banned from the forums if I use lots of profane language? This isn't about ID tags, it's about punishing people who did nothing wrong. Get a clue. | |
Shades wrote:
You need to really get a life. The school is a community, and the rules are there for one reason or another, and you need to respect them. How hard is it to remeber your ID? You miss the point completely. I will ignore your personal insult for now (though noted for future reference) and just remind you that collective punishment breeds violence and hate amongst people. Imagine if you got the ID stolen by a bunch of bullies 15 minutes before class, and as a thanks you'll get beaten up and frozen out by angry classmates who now has to go to detention thanks to "you". Yes, kids can be that cruel. If that turns out to be a valid excuse, of course then the problem is solved. Everyone can blame stolen ID until the system breaks down. Now use your imagination and come up with a few more events that will make collective punishment a ridicilous thing to use. Standing up for your rights is one thing, trying to cause trouble, create a disturbence and piss people off thats another, and from what I read, thats all it seems like to me what you are trying to do. If you cannot see the difference between non-violent protesting against collective punishment and pissing people off, there is no point in further discussions. As a final note, if Martin Luther King have listened to opinions like yours, maybe USA still would've been segregated. It wasn't more than 40 years ago... /Gazoot | |
Scoobert wrote:
Have you not learned that children do no get rights? Dispite the constitution, you have absolutly no rights what so ever. I made it though childhood and they still try to hold me to that, but I don't let them. Our school trys to require my mom to sign everything. I am 18 and my own legal gardian, there is nothing they can say about it. They did, however, refuse to give me a parking pass (for MY car, that I own, and is in MY name) without my mothers permission. I was very angry about that. I am an adult and should be granted all the rights of one. Even as a minor you do have rights, couple supreme court cases involving minors: Tinker v. Des Moines School District (Freedom of speech, 1969): Students were suspended from school for wearing black armbands, which were said to be disruptive, in protest of the Vietnam war. Island Trees School District v. Pico (Censorship/Freedom of speech, 1982): A number of books were removed from the library, students sued. An interesting fact from this case was something that Justice Brennan had cited from Tinker v. Des Moines, saying that "high school students have First Amendment rights in the classroom." These rights however are limited by the 'Clear and present danger' (Yelling fire in a crowded theater) or if they would be considered 'Fighting words'. Bethel School District v Fraser (1986): A student giving a speech during an assembly had been told prior to giving the speech that various aspects were inapproriate. He gave the speech anyway and was suspended for 3 days. He sued and ruling was in favor of Bethel School District (You can be rebelious, just not lewd or obscene. There are lots of other cases also just involving students rights, Goss v. Lopez and Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier just to name a couple more. The students did not always win, but the student still has the rights on which grounds they used to sue. Someone said something about having to wear tags/lanyards for a perticular job. Thats fine, your getting paid for that, and its a voluntary activity. If you don't want to wear it you can quit that job and find another. For a student having to wear one at school, they don't have such an easy way out. Unless the school uses them for a valid purpose students should not be required to wear them. Your within your rights to pass out fliers as long as you are not causing any disruptions. A protest by not wearing lanyards/tags is symbolic speech, which is protected under the Constitution. Also if your school is punishing an entire group of people based on the actions of one single individual whose actions were in no way infuenced by that group of students that would defeinitely not be right. It's one thing if a student does something reasonably bad (Say throw a book through a window while the teacher wasn't looking) and no one confesses to it or points a finger at someone, but when the teacher KNOWS who did it punishes the entire group anyway, is where there is a problem. | |
Although the supream court says they have rights, that doesn't mean they are going to get them. Schools seem to think that students are no humans, but rather memory storage devices that they must input data into. Output of data not entered by that teacher, or even slightly modifyed is compleatly forbiden. Very rarly a teacher will rebel from the mainstream of school and expect his students to think, and not just throw up what they have been tought. This type of teacher is rare, and is general looked down on by the other staff.
'What, history didn't happen exactly the way we say it did, your crazy, and suspended.' 'You think that going to school for 6-7 hours a day, then doing 3 hours of homework every night is too much? You must be a satinist!' Ok, that is a little extream, but both are issues I like to poke teachers with, and they normaly just ignore me or try to make me shut up. | |
News flash, school is optional, your parents can pull you from it at any time, and you can attend a different school, or get homeschooled. You can also simply drop out, but you'll be making(and probably screwing up) my order at Wendy's.
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Nathandx82 wrote:
News flash, school is optional, "Oh no." your parents can pull you from it at any time, and you can attend a different school, or get homeschooled. Homeschooled? PAH! America... You can also simply drop out, but you'll be making(and probably screwing up) my order at Wendy's. Hey, Sariat's hot. | |
Elation wrote:
Hey, Sariat's hot. *Flashes a big smile with a Colgate "bling" * I try, I try.... I just hope you're a chick, for my sake. | |
Release 25 hamsters in the building. When they ask you how many there were, tell them 27. Make sure to somehow bring to their knowledge that there was both male and female hamsters, without being too obvious.
I hope your protest goes well. Ooh, maybe you should put the fliers on the hamsters! | |
Nathandx82 wrote:
News flash, school is optional, your parents can pull you from it at any time, and you can attend a different school, or get homeschooled. You can also simply drop out, but you'll be making(and probably screwing up) my order at Wendy's. I mean from a students personal perspective. Dropping out (at least here in NY) is 18, 16 with parentel permission. Before that you are supposed to be attending school or an equivilent program (ie. Homeschooling). Other school's might be an option for some, but a lot of times things are a district policy, and due to the zoning rights and the already overcrowding you often won't be able to get into a different school, unless your in a small school, in which case the next school can be some distance away. | |
I don't think that's what they're trying to achive.
The idea would most likily be to make people who don't go to the school stand out. That way it's easy to tell if someone on grounds is a student or not, and deal then with the situation accordingly.