Me and my father were having an arugment.
Rome:
28 Legions with approximately 160,000 legionaries, along with an additional force of some 220,000 auxiliary troops
Operation Iraqi Freedom:
4 special trained troops
1 Heavy machinegun
1 Sniper
1 Heavy demolishon
1 Minor demolishon/ Submachingun
Massive loads of ammunition
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Who would win, I was thinking the rome Legions would win. They have tons of highly trained men. The Iraqi Freedom team wouldn't stand a chance in my mind. The Sniper wouldn't do much at all. The Heavy Demo wouldn't have enough todo much of anything. I just don't think the machine guns could take out 380,000 guys. The men back then were very strong, a bullet would effect them less.
Who do you think would win?
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 Mar 28 2005, 3:18 pm
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Mar 28 2005, 3:25 pm
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Gughunter
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The modern soldiers would certainly do a lot of damage; but allowing for misses, multiple hits on the same target, and so on, they'd need well over a half million rounds of ammunition. Then you have to worry about reloading delays, weapon jams, and overheating. It's possible that the sheer efficacy of the weaponry could overawe the enemy and cause a rout, I guess, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Do the Roman troops have missile weapons, or are they just infantry? If they have missile weapons, and assuming they have a decent position, there's absolutely no contest; the 4 guys are done for, they can't shoot ALL of the Romans before the Romans turn them into pincushions.
If they don't have missile weapons, there's still no contest, though the Romans would lose a few more men first. The modern-day troops would only have one chance; scare the superstitous Romans enough with noise and explosions that they'd run away. In theory, with a good position and time to prepare explosives they might be able to pull it off. But everything else being equal, the Romans would own. | |
If they Had infinite ammunition, invinsible weapons, and each of them had a mounted heavy machine gun. They would win. But that is not possible
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Even then you would still have to take reloading and overheating into account. How many men does it take to form a row a mile long, if each man takes up 3 feet? 5280 / 3 = 1760 men. With 380,000 men, you can have 215 MILE-LONG rows of 1760 men. Unless those guys are all standing across a large, deep river and just shaking their fists at the modern soldiers, there's simply no way the four soldiers can get them all before they're overwhelmed.
Edit: That said, you should look for a movie called Zulu, about the battle of Rorke's Drift. About 150 British soldiers fended off about 4000 Zulu warriors. But it's pretty likely that the Zulus could have carried the day if they had decided to. Even allowing for the improvements in weaponry since then, I just don't see our four-man squad coming out alive. | |
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Who would win!?
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The OIF would need four things to have a chance of winning:
-A non-straight forward battle. Ie, they wouldn't just line up the guys against each other. -Modern day vehicles. -An unlimited supply of ammo (this doesn't mean they could just magically keep shooting forever, just that they could go somewhere and get more ammo). -A lot of time. The right sniper at night could pick away at a camp for a while before having to get out of there. It would be very hit and run based, which is why I say they need the vehicles. The OIF wouldn't stand much chance of getting away without vehicles because the Roman's training involves a lot more endurance and physical stuff. The demolition guys would be more useful than you give them credit for. A few remote explosives in the right circumstances could bring down a mountian side onto a good section of the army. Also thanks to the OIF's tactical training they wouldn't just hit a random section of the army. They'd take something like the supply section. It also depends on what the Rome army knows about the OIF (and vise versa). If they don't know what's going on then they'd most likily panic. If the OIF doesn't know much about the Roman's they're not going to have much luck formulating tactics to take them out. | |
You seem to be underestimating the sniper. Also, it is likely that they will all have proper rifles (except the sniper, who would more likely be the one with the sub-gun as a secondary).
Find a sniper a high spot, and he can take out commanding officers. A decent sniper with a good gun can shoot about a mile, and with a decent rifle (with FMJ/AP bullets) the bullet could blow straight through a shield, helmet or breastplate. Even without a detailed knowledge of the Roman military, the sniper could still pick of the soldiers with different plumes on their helmets. I'm not saying that the army would then run about like headless chickens, but the Spec Ops guys could then Skirmish into cover and set up mines while they're going. Now mines would scare the roman dudes pretty good. 'Agghh! The ground is erupting! These men must be under the gods protection!' Cue running Romans. It wouldn't be an easy fight. Also, the Roman army didn't ever form a single straight line. It was more like a straight line of infantry, then blocks of extra infantry and missile-throwers behind them. | |
I don't even understand the fact that you guys are actually arguing this point.
4 men against 380 000 men Wattuf? | |
Yes, I agree the romans would win. But the 4 people have 2000 years of evolution in strategy. They have bullets.
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Hazman wrote:
'Agghh! The ground is erupting! These men must be under the gods protection!' This is all just a bunch of crap fed to you by RPGs, roleplaying, and bad movies. The Romans are an ARMY, and are trained to carry out orders just as they are given. I doubt that they would panic to the degree you're stating here, perhaps small sections of weaker-minded soldiers may freak out, but I don't think there would be any mass exodus of the battlefield. ~Polatrite~ | |
Then maybe not to that degree. But a variety of mines and traps would scare them. They aren't modern soldiers with knowledge of modern weapons - they are ancient soldiers with knowledge of swords and bows.
They see their opponents running away. They think 'Victory!'. Then, the ground starts erupting. There is going to be running - perhaps not out of fear but out of a desire to be anywhere except where there are explosions. | |
This is a dumb question. It really depends on the settings, if the rome attack is all at one force or not one person at a time. Besides, a demolitionist COULD explode the entire fleet. But, what if the demolitionist has no time to set up a bomb? Or what if he gets a slug in the back from friendly fire? It's a can-not answer question.
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Yea, but it's not like Romans don't have projectiles. This has to be one of the worst hypothetical situations ever to be birthed in the minds of people. All it would take are a few hundred archers to target the soldiers and they would be good as dead as 100 arrows rain on them. Plus, its naive to believe that the soldiers would be able to take a bullet better than people of this day, especially when you count the fact that they wouldn't have armor that protects well against rounds, and that they usually were smaller than we are, thus the wound from a bullet can be even more deadly. Just because they were under a lot of physical stress doesn't mean they would really be able to withstand a bullet much.
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If you have any concept of Roman history then you would know how many stories tell of armies fearing natural effects. I Horatius the one eyed supposedly frightened an entire army long enough by himself just because he was one man standing alone on a bridge when the enemy army was expecting another army. The enemy army grew suspicious and was very wary to attack, and when they did, the bridge Horatius was standing on collapsed and a small chunk of the enemy army fell into the river, and the enemy army believed it to be the will of the gods and refrained from combat for quite a while.
Plus, imagine being a Roman warrior from thousands of years ago and facing a small group of enemies who can kill people from long distances with ease, and they can also create explosions which are very deadly just by throwing a small ball, would you exactly be thinking logical about these guys? | |
Gughunter wrote:
The modern soldiers would certainly do a lot of damage; but allowing for misses, multiple hits on the same target, and so on, they'd need well over a half million rounds of ammunition. Then you have to worry about reloading delays, weapon jams, and overheating. It's possible that the sheer efficacy of the weaponry could overawe the enemy and cause a rout, I guess, but I wouldn't count on it.Just click enter and type "Show me the money". (starcraft) | |