BYOND virus??

Page: 1 2
ID:186656
 
May 26 2005, 6:22 pm
Someone emailed me a game and said it was the first byond virus. I didnt open it ( im not stupid )> Is it possible?
May 26 2005, 6:34 pm
If there is a virus file within the packaged game, I don't see why not.
May 26 2005, 6:45 pm
In response to CodingSkillz2
no, he programmed a virus in DM.
May 26 2005, 6:49 pm
In response to Thedarkavenger
no, he programmed a virus in DM.

DM provides no access to any thing that could be directly damaging. The worst a DM program can do is make calls through shell() and delete files though in boths cases BYOND asks you for confirmation unless you set to run in trusted mode which you shouldn't do anyway. If you are running a program in safe mode you really shouldn't have anything to worry about.
May 26 2005, 9:44 pm
In response to Thedarkavenger
i would suggest asking him to send you the source-code as proof it has the virus in it. it would be interesting to see what he does to try and create such a thing.
May 26 2005, 9:58 pm
In response to Theodis
You could set up an infinite loop to crash the program, and probably crash windows, knowing what a piece of faecal matter it is, but that hardly qualifies as a virus.

If any BYOND program with an infinite loop was a virus, then a lot of 'newbies' (in the 'new to writing BYOND programs' sense, rather then the perjorative) are writing a lot of viruses.
May 26 2005, 10:47 pm
In response to Jp
I really doubt that an infinite loop would crash windows. I have done some infinite loops many times in certain tests, and it never did more then make me have to close dreamseeker from the Windows Task Manager.
May 27 2005, 9:09 am
In response to Theodis
Well, depending, you could probably do some damage using DS, but it would take some time to really make it work. The easist way would be to us java inside a popup window. Shell could work, provided that you have write access, even if just to the folder that the game is in, you could place a virus there. I am not to clear on how virus' activate, I deal mostly on getting rid of them, not starting them.
May 27 2005, 10:12 am (Edited on May 27 2005, 5:14 pm)
In response to Scoobert
(removed)

Then provide a distraction while their computer's memory is filled (character creation form, perhaps?). Just conceptual though, thought about it but never tried it. I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere that would make this useless though.

EDIT:

Windows crashes well enough by itself. :) Honestly, how can you expect security and privacy with something named Windows?

And I don't think its technically a virus until it copies itself. idk, what are the different classes of malicious computer programs and what defines them?
May 27 2005, 10:15 am
In response to EGUY
hmmmm......... Considering this message might get deleted before too long, I'll copy that now.
hehehe.... *evil grin*
I might just try that.
There's one or two BYONDers I would love to have a convenient computer crash. All I'd have to do is get them into a game I code......
May 27 2005, 1:28 pm
In response to Jamesburrow
 
mob/verb
    Crazyloop()
        CrazyLoop
            src<<"This will crash DS"
            goto CrazyLoop
                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                    goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop
                        goto CrazyLoop
                            goto CrazyLoop
                                goto CrazyLoop


He said it was a joke.
May 27 2005, 1:54 pm
In response to Artekia
I've had windows die on me when I've had an infinite loop (Without sleeps in it, and stuff like that, obviously). Windows is just that unstable.

It doesn't happen that often, though. Which is why it hardly qualifies as a virus.
May 27 2005, 4:41 pm
In response to Jp
Jp wrote:
You could set up an infinite loop to crash the program, and probably crash windows, knowing what a piece of faecal matter it is, but that hardly qualifies as a virus.

An infinite loop in DM can't crash Windows.

Lummox JR
May 27 2005, 4:45 pm
In response to Thedarkavenger
Thedarkavenger wrote:
no, he programmed a virus in DM.

Clearly this guy is either an idiot, or thinks you're very gullible. DM has no ability to give you a virus, unless it runs in trusted mode (so it can use shell() without asking permission) and a virus is already included in the package. Or, if the virus is included and the end user is almost literally as dumb as a rock.

Some in this thread suggested Java in a browse() popup can do it, but that's impossible unless there's a security hole in Java allowing it--and Java run as an applet is quite secure. While BYOND still does use IE and that's a mess of problems, it really shouldn't be a conduit for viral infections.

Lummox JR
May 27 2005, 4:49 pm
In response to Lummox JR
If it uses Internet Explorer, you can get Trojans from it. There's a site I have which has a picture which crashes internet explorer and gives you a trojan. It's the .jpg exploit.
May 28 2005, 9:46 am
In response to Thedarkavenger
..........
You didn't expect me to actually try it, did you? I know enough ways to create a virus anyway. I have a book somewhere call '101 Ways to Create an Infective Computer Virus'
and another one called 'Computer Viruses for Dummies'
If I ever actually wanted to create a viruse, I would have done it before now.
lol. j/k. I don't plan on going through creating viruses just for the heck of it. I'm sure what he used could work, but doesn't DS ask you first before sticking files on your comp?
May 28 2005, 11:32 am
In response to Thedarkavenger
Why would he do that, when he only needs to do this?

Also, something that crashes a program hardly counts as a virus.

mob/verb
    Crazyloop()
        CrazyLoop
            src<<"This will crash DS"
            goto CrazyLoop
May 28 2005, 4:36 pm
I have the same problem, hotmail doesnt except DM to be sent through, try gmail/aol, it'll work thier.
May 28 2005, 4:47 pm
In response to RavenHeart
Zip it up, and send.
May 31 2005, 11:48 am
The worst thing I could think of would either be to use shell() or to open the browser up in a site using some kind of exploit, such as the .jpg exploit, but the shell() would require some kind of human interaction, and I'm sure that the DS version of the IE browser isn't as susceptible to browser-specific exploits as it does retain some difference from the full IE browser(at least I think it does).

RD
Page: 1 2