ID:186444
 Jul 3 2005, 7:50 pm
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I was playing a game recently and while It was about to end two people (will call jim and bob) were saying gay's were horrible. I didn't know what caused this but they started saying they're like Hitler. I just figured it was simple homophobia but they accutaly believe that gay's caused HIV/AIDS. I thought this was silly, but they kept going. They said they were 18 and 19 yet still acted like 9 year olds. They called me a pre-teen moron even after learning I am 14, disturbing yet? Im not even getting started. They very quickly started saying that you can only really get it from gays, and gays have killed thousands. I knew better but I tried to be open and convince them but they wouldn't listen and kep sayin ,"OMG u R stupid!" They even had the nerve to say that the wind is unexplainable. Boy oh boy...makes me scared that they're on the road o.o
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Heh, I just got done watching a movie on gay people on Lifetime, there's nothing wrong with them, they just love people in a diferent way. :p
P.S.: I'm not gay. | |
_>...A kid at school started a rant that people who "did it" with monkeys cuased aids. Personally I think it was from cannibals who ate monkey brains! Seriosuly.. | |
It was started out in the middle-east, where having sex with a women before being married to them is illegal, but having sex with animals/men isn't. So, they got AIDs from animals, and passed it on to us.
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so it was like some 16 year old kid that screwd a monkey?
o.0; That would find hard to believe, maybe a dog or something, al ittle more accessable. (im not SUGGETSING anything.....) | |
Ol' Yeller wrote:
It was started out in the middle-east, where having sex with a women before being married to them is illegal, but having sex with animals/men isn't. So, they got AIDs from animals, and passed it on to us. Nonsense. Exactly why and how HIV crossed the species barrier is unknown, but it almost certainly didn't happen in the Middle East. More likely it originated in Africa. Also, it is very unlikely that it was caused by inter-species sex. More likely it was an accidental blood transfer - either from direct contact (an injured hunter kills a monkey, which bleeds onto his wound, passing across the infected blood) or from someone in Africa eating infected monkey meat. See http://www.avert.org/origins.htm for a good summary of the major theories. Here's a quote: The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on the hunter. Normally the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions it adapted itself within its new human host and become HIV-1. The fact that there were several different early strains of HIV, each with a slightly different genetic make-up (the most common of which was HIV-1 group M), would support this theory: every time it passed from a chimpanzee to a man, it would have developed in a slightly different way within his body, and thus produced a slightly different strain. An article published in The Lancet in 20043, also shows how retroviral transfer from primates to hunters is still occurring even today. In a sample of 1099 individuals in Cameroon , they discovered to ten (1%) were infected with SFV (Simian Foamy Virus), an illness which, like SIV, was previously thought only to infect primates. All these infections were believed to have been acquired through the butchering and consumption of monkey and ape meat. Discoveries such as this have lead to calls for an outright ban on bushmeat hunting to prevent simian viruses being passed to humans. --http://www.avert.org/origins.htm | |
Are not unheard of and, in the case of simian to human transfers, can almost always be traced to blood contact (the puerile idea that it has to do with sexual contact reveals far more about those who spread such ideas than the virus...).
Another example of such a species migrator is the Marburg virus. Virulent, fast acting, and extremely lethal, it is very similar to the Ebola virus, which also originated in African primates. What has made these diseases so dangerous is the increased contact of historically separated regions. Whereas 1000 years ago, a hunter infected while buthering meat might only infect village, now that infection might spread to someone who gets on an international flight. | |
Yep. This is a biggie. Historically, a virus capable of wiping out large numbers of humans would never be a real problem, for the simple reason of "biting the hand that feeds you"... it would wipe out the group that was its original point of contact for the species, and then lacking any suitable environment in which to live, it would die.
So it's probably not really a case of "all of a sudden these viruses are making the leap to human infection"... but all of a sudden, with roads and jeeps and airplanes and cities, they're traveling fast enough and spreading far enough to be a problem for more than a few people. | |
Jmurph wrote:
(the puerile idea that it has to do with sexual contact reveals far more about those who spread such ideas than the virus...). Not really. It's something that's known for being spread via sexual contact, so the assumption that it was origianlly spread via sexual contact is easy to make. It's not particuly smart, but it makes sense if you're only skimming over the information. Like a Fox UFO special. | |
from what I was told from a teacher aids transfer through wounds was not possible, because as soon as it touchs oxygen it dies which as soon as the wound is opened it is exposed to air which contains oxygen?
Then another teacher happened to tell me that in world war two (or one?) aids spread more rapidbly because men would be out to war for days and days without ever seeing a woman, some would get lost and lonely and they would use animals in some cases for satisfying the hunger shall we say... which when they got back home would then spread to various counterparts. I didn't believe it, but eh anything's possible. | |
You realize blood contains more oxygen than it contains anything else right? The virus not only can survive in open air, but it thrives on it.
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I've heard of theories that say that HIV was able to cross over from one species to another through its own changes and mutations, sort of like bacteria becoming immune to antibiotics when it switches around its DNA with other bacteria to adapt. The jump from monkey to human wouldn't be that difficult since we share over 90% of our of DNA with monkeys.
This is the theory that I believe in the most. | |
Ol' Yeller wrote:
It was started out in the middle-east, where having sex with a women before being married to them is illegal, but having sex with animals/men isn't. So, they got AIDs from animals, and passed it on to us. This is classic stuff. Most diseases end up getting associated with whatever group a society dislikes. This is why in some areas a flu will be known by the Yridians as "Xridian flu" and by the Xridians across the river as "Yridian flu". People who hate gays attribute AIDS to them, even though in Africa the spread of AIDS, where it's vastly more prominent than in most other nations, has little to nothing to do with gays. And when a disease is associated with a group people like, they are seen as the victims of it rather than the perpetrators (no one blamed Legionnaires for "Legionnaires disease", or Gulf war veterans for the alleged "Gulf War syndrome", they saw them as the victims). Your statement is riddled with errors, but is a social indicator of what group is disliked, and what reasons they are disliked for. | |
"Transfer through wounds" is essentially how it transmits sexually... it's taking advantage of a fluid medium through which it can reach an opening into the fluids of another host's body. If you actually look at the transmission risk vectors, sexual contact that involves wounds (sores from other diseases, minute tearing of tissue, whatever), it increases the risk.
The virus dies rather quickly outside the sustaining environment of a host... at least, compared to other nasties that can linger around for weeks or months... but not instantly. AIDS infested blood splattering onto an opening in your body and managing to infect you might be a million to one shot... but last time I checked, there's far more than a million people on the planet. Shtuff happens. And, in the words of Rocko's Modern Life, your teacher is full of snot. AIDS was not known in either world war, or in the time immediately following them. | |
Some people in this world are morons. There is nothing wrong with gays. One of my best friends is openly gay, and my ex-girlfriend is bi (really made me feel bad, getting dumped for a girl, but oh well.)
Besides, they say that HIV/AIDS was caused by having sex with monkeys. | |
Actually, they say thats what really caused it. I think thats kinda sick, but.....
What I can't figure out is, if someone was desperate enough to do it with a monkey, who had sex with him/her? | |
J/W...are...you...homosexual, being the reason you are scared?