Jul 20 2005, 7:05 pm
In response to DarkView
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Hedgemistress
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Maybe the next version of the BYOND compiler can skip the error report and just say "What an awesome game!" when you hit compile...
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Elation wrote:
Suffering doesn't build character. That's just what people who like to hurt other people say to somehow justify their idiotic and irresponsible actions. Agreed! That said, this "deferred success" business is stupid and will solve nothing. When "deferred success" is used to mean "fail", "deferred success" will be synonymous with "fail". And bullies will bully no matter what. If (for example) they mock their victim for having glasses and the victim then discovers he doesn't need them after all, the bullies will find something else to mock the victim about. The supposed "fault" isn't the target of the bullying. The person is. | |
if my friends were calling me a failure, Id pop them in the eye and then be on my way. you take things to seriously. | |
Elation wrote:
Lummox JR wrote: Bullying? Gads no. Bullying is wrong and that's not remotely what I'm talking about. I'm saying that calling failure what it is isn't a bad thing; it's important for kids to learn that mistakes and failures and disappointments do happen in life, and they have to overcome them. Taunting someone and saying "Nyah nyah, you're a failure", which I think is much closer to what you were just talking about, is obviously way over the line. But I'm not saying it's right to take someone who feels bad and make them feel worse; I'm saying that it's pointless, nay rock stupid, to try to pretend a failure is something else just to shield someone's feelings from it. Let them confront it and make up their own mind how to feel about it, and how to deal with it, and offer your best support. Actually, political correctness has only ever created problems; it's never solved or even mitigated a single one. Again you're totally off base here. That's not what I'm talking about. Political correctness is the use of wordy euphemisms to say basically the same thing as something that might potentially offend someone. For example, "height challenged" instead of "short". (I think that one started as a joke but it's basically along the lines of what political correctness does.) This is a stupid practice which puts artificial restraints on speech that isn't meant to be offensive in the first place, while protecting no one's feelings at all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the acceptance or encouragement of minorities in the workforce. Those are completely separate issues. In the US, we have controversial laws forcing hiring by quota, which are referred to as affirmative action. Political correctness is not affirmative action; it's all about verbiage. It affects no one's hiring or firing, except to the degree that people who haven't bowed to its freakishly Orwellian mandates have occasionally found themselves in hot water. Since you seem to have missed the boat entirely on what I was saying, it might help to read such posts more thoroughly or have an understanding of the terms involved before responding. Your reply was rather cogency-challenged. Lummox JR | |
DarkView wrote:
I don't know, to me getting some sugar coated 'you failed, but we still love you' response would be worse than a failure. It's treating you like you're not just stupid, but pathetic as well. That's what's so bad about political correctness. It's not like the situation has changed. The use of a different term for the same thing doesn't help anyone feel better; it condescends to them and belittles their ability to handle it. Hey, failure happens in life. We have to accept it. When a scientist's experiment fails, they actually look at it as a positive thing: They learned something. A failure is a result that gives them no feedback, nothing to go on. Which, really, aptly describes a school which worries more about losing self-esteem than building it. These teachers in England are blowing the #1 coaching strategy of all time: Don't play not to lose; play to win. Lummox JR | |
Suck it up for once. So you're saying because some other people have had bad lives, that we should all shut up about our lives? I dunno...I've always thought that logic a bit pointless. I mean, if there's 'always a bigger fish' so to speak, then it's really irrelevant since we're all in the same boat. And in that case, we should complain about our lives because somebody else's worse life doesn't matter (since someone else has a worse life than that person). So yeah. I say, my life sucks. Get rid of the word "failure". It's a nasty word. "Deferred success" sounds a lot nicer. I mean, just look at Lummox. He says "frell". It's a lot better than him saying a certain other word beginning with F, right? | |
Elation wrote:
I mean, just look at Lummox. He says "frell". It's a lot better than him saying a certain other word beginning with F, right? When I was, oh, maybe six years old, I said "fricken" in Sunday School (I don't remember the context). My Sunday School teacher said that God still knows what you mean when you say things like "fricken" or "darn." And we all know that God is the real forum moderator! | |
Ben G wrote:
Elation wrote: Im gunna exit my atheist state for a second. If god was the real forum moderator... why doesnt he change the posts o.o he only reads them. | |
Ben G wrote:
When I was, oh, maybe six years old, I said "fricken" in Sunday School (I don't remember the context). My Sunday School teacher said that God still knows what you mean when you say things like "fricken" or "darn." And we all know that God is the real forum moderator! Are you saying God is better than Lummox JR!?!?! BAN! | |
Eh...You should see my report card under the 'Science' section. Failing doesn't feel TOO bad. I mean I failed 2 six weeks and the midterms but I still managed to pull it up to a B because failing convinced me to actually try. That, and I wanted to prove to the science teacher that I did know more than she did.....:/
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Elation wrote:
So yeah. I say, my life sucks. Get rid of the word "failure". It's a nasty word. "Deferred success" sounds a lot nicer. It's not just a matter of niceness, it's a matter of truthfulness. If someone does not accomplish something successfully, then they have failed. That's what failure means! To not have accomplished something successfully. If your teacher calls it something nice, that does not change the fact that you have failed; worse, it pollutes the language. "Deferred success" does not mean the same thing as "failure"; if you say that it is, you are wrong. And you are not, by the way, "deferring correctness"--you are just wrong. In early elementary grades, some sugar-coating is probably in order; you can never have too much encouragement for small children. But schools should be teaching kids to handle the truth instead of telling them that they don't have to face reality so long as they come up with nicey-nice sounding terms for it. | |
Yay Hedge!
Some states are really trying to change the red-ink system? I haven't heard that one yet, but god knows the PTA have tried just about everything, including the NCLB (No Child Left Behind) laws. The main thing in these laws is that any student who is failing (or in their words "unmotivated") gets stuck in tutoring classes where they have "fun". I have several friends who go to those classes-some of whom aren't even failing...... | |
Suffering doesn't build character. That's just what people who like to hurt other people say to somehow justify their idiotic and irresponsible actions. No, pain does not necassarily help make people see the real world, but experiencing failure does. The real worlds only coated in sugar if your on anti-depressants. | |
Ben G wrote:
Elation wrote: Only if you believe it to be so.... Heh....I love Atheism... But lets not bring religion into this topic. | |
Shades wrote:
Dude exactly, peopel make such big deals out of nothing, and then I turn on the TV and see hundreds of people, [mostly kids] starving to death in afrcia. Where their arms and legs are as thick as a ruler. I agree that they shouldn't be making such a big deal about one word, but I also think we should try to fix our own problems before going and helping other people. We are not slaves to other peoples needs! | |
Jamesburrow wrote:
No, pain does not necassarily help make people see the real world, but experiencing failure does. The real worlds only coated in sugar if your on anti-depressants. Wrong. I used to be on anti-depressants and my world was not coated in sugar. It was normal with the same troubles. Just not getting angry at stupid things. I'll send you some anti-depressants for you to eat, You'll see that you are wrong. I don't know where you learned this but your source is wrong. A sugar-coated world? Yeah right, I wish. ~>Jiskuha | |
Any group of educators that suggests things like that is not fully preparing students for the real world. I can call being fired "Deferred Employment" but it still means you're out of a job.
NOTE: Some states are trying to eliminate failing altogether. (Wowie! a generation of bums and Hamburger flippers.) I think things like this are just wrong. Look at the schools of 50 years ago. They taught what the students needed, not what they wanted. The opposite is becoming true, very slowly. What with this aversion to failing kids who deserve it and the lack of any morals whatsoever being instilled in the students, this world is in for it in 20 years. --Vito | |