Maddox isn't a great way to argue stuff like this, since he is bascilly the internets biggest arse.
He has points, but ignores everyone elses.
The kids did not break our laws... read what I said. The parents did. I still think a law should be past preventing the children of those not registered with the IRS from attending public school. (Obviously, those who are registered but not paying any tax would still send their kids to school) This would kill another incentive for illegal immigration.
--Vito | |
PirateHead wrote:
People who come here, make money tax-free, spend frugally, and wire their income out of the country are robbing the coffers of every business owner and worker, and the cumulative cost is to the tune of billions of dollars. That makes illegal immigrants cogs in an evil wheel of injustice that grinds at America and its legal inhabitants. I like to call it "charity". | |
"The kids did not break our laws... read what I said. The parents did. I still think a law should be past preventing the children of those not registered with the IRS from attending public school."
Oh THERE's an idea! Let's just make 'em all illiterate, drug dealers, theives, pimps et al. That'll solve our immigration problems! | |
Jerico2day wrote:
"The kids did not break our laws... read what I said. The parents did. I still think a law should be past preventing the children of those not registered with the IRS from attending public school." I thought they already were, well besides being lazy... | |
Vito Stolidus failed to justify his assertion that:
Many states give extra scholarships to illegal immigrants. Again: Please provide evidence. And a scholarship for migrants doesn't count unless it's specifically only for illegal ones. Otherwise that's like saying that McDonalds (for example) is giving extra food to illegal immigrants when in reality they'll give that food to anyone who fits their criteria (in McD's case, anyone with money). Also, think of it ths way: Public school is expensive. Since illegal tresspassers on our land don't pay taxes in any significant form, they are getting the advantages of the public schools without having to pay the taxes that the rest of us pay to support those same school. They probably don't earn enough to pay much tax anyway. Collectively maybe, but individually? I thought these people were being paid less than US citizens? it's more like: "Your papers don't seem to match up, sir. Would you like to participate in our Migrant Workers Education Scholarship?". Again: Please provide evidence that this is happening. Otherwise you're just making accusations and I have no reason to believe you. If you can provide me with some evidence then I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong; after all, I know almost nothing about the situation - I've never even visited the US. I just don't see that evidence being presented here. | |
PirateHead wrote:
Crispy wrote: Woah there. Way to take my statements out of context. That sentence was responding to Shades' comment that he didn't care about their families, not to the entire thread at large. That makes illegal immigrants cogs in an evil wheel of injustice that grinds at America and its legal inhabitants. It isn't a nice world; illegal immigrants are criminals and they are intruders. So many "illegals" and "evils" and "injustices" - you aren't a speechwriter for Bush, are you? Okay, that was a cheap shot - sorry. =) I agree that what they're doing is wrong, and I can also sympathise with them to some degree because I know why they're doing it. I imagine most of them are just trying to dig themselves and their families out of a poverty trap, which is something I can definitely relate to. People who come here, make money tax-free, spend frugally, and wire their income out of the country are robbing the coffers of every business owner and worker, and the cumulative cost is to the tune of billions of dollars. [...] So what you're saying is that (A) they're robbing the country of billions of dollars, and (B) without them the economy would collapse? Unless the economy is even more magical than economists would have us believe, I think you just contradicted yourself... The only way to solve the problem is to allow more legal routes for immigrants, including ones that are already here illegally. If they were allowed legally into the country by good means, it would bankrupt the "coyotes" that smuggle people here illegally, allow the US to control illegal drug trade more easily, and improves border security. This I agree with. | |
Soccerguy13 wrote:
And why is this such a big deal lately? Hasn't immigration been a problem for a while? for at least 100 years now, yes. Why choose now to make a huge deal out of it? most of these people weren't aware of it until now because it hasn't been on the news much until now. | |
California - I forget where I found the story, but it was telling of how Illegal Tresspassers were being given out-of-state scolarships to illegals who wanted to attend college in the state (California) where they lived. What part of "out-of-state" says: "Illegally tresspassing on soverign land"?
And about the tax: Many of them do earn enough to pay tax, and aren't registered with the IRS, and so don't pay. If an illegal becomes prosperous, and isn't registered, what's to make them register? If they're caught, chances are they'll not even be fined... the government can't deport illegals anymore... --Vito | |
We need more prison cells. Make those currently in prison build them. You don't even need to pay wages...
--Vito | |
Soccerguy13 wrote:
I am not saying everyone has a racial prejudice against immigrants, but the fact is, a lot of people do. They hear "Mexican" and they automatically go off with border-hopping, etc, comments. Yes, there is a situation with illegal immigrants. I just don't understand why it has become a big deal now, when it has been a problem for a while. I haven't looked at this bill, and I don't want to. That may make me seem like a hypocrite in some sense. I can't try to understand everything about the people who immigrate illegal. I disagree with that premise. Most Americans are colorblind and don't care where you're from. There are a few radical racists left, but it is a very small number. What annoys me is when someone assumes I'm racist simply because I support defense of the country. It happened with threat-assessment detaining (Media term: "Racial profiling") after 9/11, and it's happening now. I know you mean well, but don't fall prey to the myth that a huge number of mainstream americans are racist. It's not true. Less than one percent, by my estimation, of Americans care what color your skin is. We only care about your character. --Vito | |
I just think that most of the real racist people are in the deep south...one of my cousin was living in SC for awhile and she said that she couldn't even really hang out with black kids. It just seems to be in certain parts of the south.
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<font color="blue">Vito Stolidus babbled:
We need more prison cells. Make those currently in prison build them. You don't even need to pay wages...</font> no, but it will be *you* that pays for their housing and food and medical services. speaking as someone who knows the system up close and personal, putting illegal immigrants into prison (or anyone not convicted of something akin to murder) is giving them a better deal than their current fate. as an inmate, you are clothed, fed, educated, trained in useful jobs skills, as well as get free medical/dental services. all thanks to your hard-earned tax money. oh and don't forget that you would be paying for the contractors and guards and other staff needed to build and run the new prison. sometimes this comes from state funds which can be reliant on tax revenue to some extent. so suggesting that more prisons be built makes the problem far worse *and* more expensive. but thanks for playing! | |
Okay... Hold them until you get a boatload, then put them in a freighter and drop them off in south Mexico.
I never meant hold them indefinitely... but you've got to detain them. --Vito | |
This, in turn, lowers our standard of living, which is one thing that Americans have always been proud of, but has been going downhill for a while now.
As it stands, I would need to have two jobs just to live on my own, one 40 hour/week job, and one part-time job. I am already making what is considered decent wages for my age, but it still is not enough to support me. There are more reasons than just illegal immigrants to blame, but they are part of the problem, along with outsourcing and many other bad corporate practices.