Whatever you guys think of this incident, Politicians are on a field day. They're criticizing not only the video game industry but also ESRB!

Our focus shouldn't be on ESRB as much... it should be on the idiot politicians, because remember, these politicians make decisions for us.

Scoobert wrote:

And for Pete's sake, it is boobs, female breasts. If there is a teen in this world that will be shocked or hurt by seeing them, s\he should seek professional help.

Forget teens - most babies see their mother's breasts at some point. =P

then you saw the man-breasts of the sailors, and were traumetized forever!

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Well, it was rated T already. Meaning that parents where warned that it was aimed at those over the age of 13 and that it might contain some content that would not be appropriate for those under 13. On top of all that, to even get to the content in question, it would mostlikely take someone over the age of 10 to help. I just really think that increasing the rating was the wrong move. Perhaps national geographic should start carrying warnings about content?

Shades wrote:

Your computer example fails. While you could access porn from the internet, the computer itself does not provide the porn. The computer does not come with porn on the HD and because of that, they are not responsible.

Alright then, scratch sueing dell and change it to sueing Time Warner Cable or AOL. The internet does provide the porn.

...and it is the parents responsiblity to monitor what their children do and see.

I'm game for bringing Hentai Hill back.

But in this case, the developers of the game, the people who made the game, who produced it and made it. WHO DESIGED the game, provided the sexual content and did not tell anyone about it.

There's a damn good chance this is some prank pulled by one of the programmers, just like disney graphic artists did so often. Again, I guess we should force the disney movies to have an "R" rating?

It dosen't matter if you have to work to get it. It came with the game, the developers put that content in. They are responsible for it. The game IN FACT provides the content. And when they displayed this content to the ESRB they actully did MISLEAD the ESRB.

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I'm pretty sure it's the ESRB's job to find the stuff, not simply the Company's job for telling them what's in it. Not to mention, as I said, I doubt the company who made the game even knew it was in there. It's probably some cheap gag. If anyone here is at fault, it's the ESRB for not doing their job.

More over, the nudity in the new morrowind is actully very easy to access and all it requires is a simple name change to a file that CAME WITH THE ORGINAL GAME PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS.

...and probably never intended to be used. I have a lot of stuff in my house that I could modify into something dangerous. If I accidentally kill someone, should I sue the company for allowing me to do so?

And it is hard for parents to monitor what their children...

T for Teens.

...do and see when game developers do not accuractly describe the content that is in the game.

Don't let your 'children' play video games alone. Most parents may not be extremely technologically literate, but seriously, "Hot Coffee Mod"? It just doesn't sound right. Get some common sense. The problem here is not the developers', it's the parents'.

And that is what the problem is here. If they didn't want to get in trouble for this they needed to either remove it, or tell the ESRB about it.

Or the ESRB can do their damned job; find the content in the game and rate it appropriately.

By making them change the rating, by making them do certian things, by fineing them (and I would if I was the ESRB).. Developers will be less likely to pull these kinds of stunts and instead do what they are supposed to do, either pull the content or accuratly describe the game to the ESRB.

Fineing them? They're an independant rating board! I don't even see why games go through with the ESRB process. Just list what's in your game on the back, and if there's something extra you didn't mention, it's your own damn fault and enjoy being sued.

Dark_Shadow_Ninja wrote:

http://snopes.com/disney/disney.asp Snopes is so damn usefull. Everything you just said has been proven FALSE, by snopes.(About disney anyhow). And also most publisher probably force the devs to go through them.

http://snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm

UH DURRR

http://snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.htm

Dark_Shadow_Ninja wrote:

And where does you mention the rescuers?

And where does he mention anything? I brought up disney as an example. You know, those things you use to help people understand things better, or to prove a point?

Airjoe wrote:

Shades wrote:

Your computer example fails. While you could access porn from the internet, the computer itself does not provide the porn. The computer does not come with porn on the HD and because of that, they are not responsible.

Alright then, scratch sueing dell and change it to sueing Time Warner Cable or AOL. The internet does provide the porn.

AOL or Time Warner provides a service, they do not provide the porn. When you install their software it does not contain porn links... When you get the internet you have to look for the porn. They are not directly responsible for porn on the internet.

...and it is the parents responsiblity to monitor what their children do and see.

I'm game for bringing Hentai Hill back.

So am I. I have stated many times I believe BYOND should have a adult only section. Why should we have to censor ourselfs because some children have access to the net?

But in this case, the developers of the game, the people who made the game, who produced it and made it. WHO DESIGED the game, provided the sexual content and did not tell anyone about it.

There's a damn good chance this is some prank pulled by one of the programmers, just like disney graphic artists did so often. Again, I guess we should force the disney movies to have an "R" rating?

Programmers make the game, when extra stuff like that is in the game, they should know about it, they should notice the extra files. Adult themes in cartoon are sligthly harder to spot because sometimes it can be a single frame. But I think Disyney (because of their past) should go through each movie frame by frame.

It dosen't matter if you have to work to get it. It came with the game, the developers put that content in. They are responsible for it. The game IN FACT provides the content. And when they displayed this content to the ESRB they actully did MISLEAD the ESRB.

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I'm pretty sure it's the ESRB's job to find the stuff, not simply the Company's job for telling them what's in it. Not to mention, as I said, I doubt the company who made the game even knew it was in there. It's probably some cheap gag. If anyone here is at fault, it's the ESRB for not doing their job.

I am starting to think when this stuff happens. They DO know it is there. I mean think about it, as soon as people hear about this sort of stuff, they rush out and buy it, it causes a rise in sales, it happened with GTA and I am sure it happened with Morrowind. I have already stated that both sides are at fault and both sides are being stupid. I just hate how people give the ESRB a bad rap for doing their job.

More over, the nudity in the new morrowind is actully very easy to access and all it requires is a simple name change to a file that CAME WITH THE ORGINAL GAME PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS.

...and probably never intended to be used. I have a lot of stuff in my house that I could modify into something dangerous. If I accidentally kill someone, should I sue the company for allowing me to do so?

Possibly if there wasn't a warning on the product warning about it. Like explosive or corrsive. Its a high chance you could sue them. It has happened before in the past. But once the warning is on the product it is no longer the companys fault.

And it is hard for parents to monitor what their children...

T for Teens.

T for teens does not nessesscarly mean extreame gore, sexual themes or nudity. When the ESBR rates a game, if you ever looked at it, they split as many hairs as possible covering every single base.

...do and see when game developers do not accuractly describe the content that is in the game.

Don't let your 'children' play video games alone. Most parents may not be extremely technologically literate, but seriously, "Hot Coffee Mod"? It just doesn't sound right. Get some common sense. The problem here is not the developers', it's the parents'.

And that is what the problem is here. If they didn't want to get in trouble for this they needed to either remove it, or tell the ESRB about it.

Or the ESRB can do their damned job; find the content in the game and rate it appropriately.

And for the ESRB to do their job properly the developers need to work with them. If they knew about it, they should have told them. When developers don't tell them about this stuff, it makes their job that much harder.

By making them change the rating, by making them do certian things, by fineing them (and I would if I was the ESRB).. Developers will be less likely to pull these kinds of stunts and instead do what they are supposed to do, either pull the content or accuratly describe the game to the ESRB.

Fineing them? They're an independant rating board! I don't even see why games go through with the ESRB process. Just list what's in your game on the back, and if there's something extra you didn't mention, it's your own damn fault and enjoy being sued.

Because they have to. thats why they go through the process.

You should have said Coke, it really did happen to coke, and they admited it.

"you have to look for the porn."

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