You're point was stupid and has been argued over since the dawn of BYOND Members.

You stated, you do not want to see a rip sitting in the Top 10. Yet you happily support SilkWizzards game which not very many people have played. The difference is null. A rip vs a non-released game. This just makes you a hyprocrite.

You're whole ranking system argument has already been and gone when Elation did the whole DBZ:Relegr8. And no doubt, I believe you had a hand in supporting that too.

All you have done is unleashed another wave of rips apon BYOND. Taking up more bandwidth, slowing down servers, and causing more hub entries for the Administrators to go through. Because you didn't FULLY think your actions through. Just because YOU didn't make a hub entry for the code, doesn't mean some other stupid critter wont. Ergo, all you have done, is just cause a sevear headache for Nadrew and the other hub moderators...

This move was stupid, all because you couldn't stand the fact a game you don't like was in the Top 10. Yes, he was dishonorable. Yes, even I didn't agree with Goditz methods. But there was nothing that can be done. His methods are no different from Silkwizards AA method. And you supported that one (what with the game being in your favourites). So all you have done, is, as I have said, made yourself a hyprocrite, unleashed another era of rips apon BYOND and caused a headache for the staff. Good work!

BigBoiD wrote:

God. Someone else does it, and it's perfectly fine. You don't try to stop anything. Like in the instance when I attempted to stop the distribution of the "Star Wars Galaxy" source code. What was the reply I received? "It's his own fault for releasing the source code, we can't do anything about it."

So now when I release the code to a more popular game, I get met with utter distaste, threats of being banned, and other considerable measure being taken against me and all involved in it.

Apples and oranges, dude. You didn't try to stop distribution of the SWG source code, which you said was "basically everywhere now", but to take down the rips. There was nothing to be done about the rips. Had you pointed to a hub entry actually distributing that source code, it would've been treated differently.

Distributing stolen code is much worse than actually using it. Current moderation policy doesn't affect rips, but it does affect people who propagate theft and especially the ones who cause a lot of trouble in the process. And let's be clear on this one thing: No "considerable measure[s]" have been taken against you yet. Very little has actually been done in reaction at this time. Hiding your blog from the front page was a holding action, nothing more.

Why? Because I actually have a reason behind my doings? Or because I simply am a Member, who has better means of distribution.

You can drop the self-righteous act now. There's no such thing as having "a reason" to distribute someone else's stolen code. That would imply such actions are defensible. As much as you may hate Goditz's rip, and/or the way he abuses the ranking system by using carrot-and-stick tactics against his players, that doesn't excuse what you did at all. (And as some moderators have pointed out, it is consistently one of the most-played games, not merely among the highest-ranked, so the ranking system is actually working normally here in spite of said abuse.)

The "because" has everything to do with the fact that this is nothing like the Star Wars Galaxy situation you complained about, and that you switched to the dark side.

Digitalmouse once said that it's Build Your Own Net Dream, regardless of how they build it. What if I'm trying to help make more dreams? (Yeah, I'm not.)

Of course you're not. You have no such altruistic motive. If you did, there's a reasonable way to achieve it--one that everyone would applaud. Build a good solid demo for a certaing ame genre, or even create a library with stuff that authors would need. Then it would be your own source code you released, with your own blessing.

Finally, I want you to know why you're poor little support requests are going off the line. It's because the game owners encouraged and told the players to do it. They told them to say that it has a virus, and to make multiple requests. So before you go getting all over my case, I do believe you should investigate why it is that there are so many reports of what I'm doing going around.

I didn't see any reports of a virus, but then I did only skim those requests. There was indeed a lot of spam. Someone obviously asked people to go contact the support line--way too many of them did, and several did so more than once. That's their own problem. But this mess wouldn't have happened if you hadn't provoked the whole thing in the first place.

The source is still going to be hosted. I'm standing by my point. Most of you don't get it, but I'm alright with that.

Then likely, some of those "considerable measure[s]" you haven't actually been hit with yet, you will finally see. The continued hosting of those files is an ongoing violation of member TOS. You should be aware that means your membership privileges are no longer sacrosanct.

That being said, I will see to it that my posts regarding the source be deleted. This same message is posted in my blog as well, but also here because of the front page ban I have received.

You seem to think there's something noble about what you've done, and what you're still doing. You're not standing up for some point about how rips are awful; you're just worsening the problem, and throwing in some hypocrisy in the process. If you really supported the removal of rips then you'd have no truck with the people who distribute stolen source code, yet you've thrown in your lot with them. Truly, you're not the least bit concerned about the preponderance of rips; you're just cheesed about this particular one. Your moral high horse is long dead; you and your friends would do well to stop beating it.

You've caused a lot of headaches for BYOND staff in the process. Many of those were not directly your fault, but almost all of them indirectly were. That includes not just the spam from Goditz's players, but the work of your supporters as well. By keeping up the files you're still causing problems.

Lummox JR

BigBoiD wrote:

First off, the source code is in no way stolen. Goditz gave it to another individual, whom ripped it. (Naruto: Corruption of the Shinobi). They gave it to someone else, and that person gave it to Javster for helping them with another coding problem. I received it from Javster with intention to distribute it.

That's a far cry from "in no way stolen". Pretty much all stolen source code has come from someone trusting the wrong person.

The source isn't being hosted on my member site, nor with any of my file space. I'm still not violating the TOS.

Ah, I see you've finally removed it. Well, that's good. In that case you're right, the violation is no longer ongoing.

Also, even though Goditz isn't doing so, his hub says that he's distributing the code, and to merely give credit to him. That being done should clearly make my actions minor, because he obviously had full intentions for doing so.

He may have only reached such a decision after the code was posted. If that's the case, it doesn't clear you of responsibility for the fallout. After all, who would have gone to the trouble to convince people to spam the support line if Goditz had already made the source public? Goditz surrendering to the inevitable does not retroactively clear you.

Of course, even if Goditz publicly released the source before you did, you've still thrown away your right to moral outrage over the rip situation. You distributed source code intended to be ripped--and wherever you're hosting it now, you're still doing it.

Lummox JR

he shouldnt be alowed to release his source, its a HACKED WOTS source, and the rights(ROFL O_o) of the coding belong to WOTS staff(which would be Bustercannon, GA, and myself) i dont want the source, or an edited piece of crap edit of it released either, although i cant stop it completly.

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Reason why you shouldn't be using MSN to send stuff, very insecure.. because it's from MS.

- GhostAnime

He had the file publicly hosted for possibly five minutes. No more.
(I think he deleted the file after that time, but I don't have actual proof that he did.)

I've seen him link it before in another member's comment page before. Can't remember which one, though. :/