Oct 25 2007, 5:29 am
In response to A.T.H.K
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Shlaklava
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Vista is NOT a big pile of crap. its just the games and other software not yet patched for use with windows vista. the only things that annoys me with vista is the constant security permission pop ups. its annoying but at least it gives more security crap
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Gogeta126 wrote:
Vista is NOT a big pile of crap. its just the games and other software not yet patched for use with windows vista. the only things that annoys me with vista is the constant security permission pop ups. its annoying but at least it gives more security crap You can turn UAC off(the annoying popups) but generally for most users its advisable to leave it on. I have it turned off and only have a Virus scanner and I've got no probs with Vista at all. | |
I actually had to install Vista on a machine last night. After figuring out a hardware issue, Vista installed fine. The UAC popups were a bit... excessive, though. Things like changing the system time should not be a restricted task.
Once basic setup was done, however, it wasn't too bad. Honestly, though, I saw nothing special over XP. It gave me no want to upgrade my own machine. I could see about one service pack difference between XP and Vista. And the default of hiding folder addresses in Explorer was horrible. Why the hell would it seem like a good idea to not show a standard address? Is IE going to start showing addresses as "http:>>developer.byond.com>forum>index.cgi" non selectable text? It just seems like it will make navigating the computer and picking up computer skills along the way harder. I like to have URLs for my folders and files. Don't even get me started on Gnome and KDEs file/folder open/save windows(/me shutters). XP had it close to right. When you look at something in explorer, it gave you a nice copyable URL for it. When you went to open a document, it made it very easy to navigate(although I would have liked a real address at the top, rather than a drop down list of common places). Gnome's save/open dialog doesn't even have a slot for manual address entry(in XP you can type a folder path in the file name box and have to go to that folder to select a file). This may seem like a small part of UI design, but it is one of the most important in my book. Having an easy to access or input URL is one of the most important parts of an OS to me. I like to do hand typing, especially when folders are hidden(Application Data anyone). Vista went the wrong way with it. Heck, if I had it my way, every program would have a command line bar on it. /me remembers his days with autoCAD. "line 43,12 43,32" was so much easier than clicking the line tool, setting up stap to edges, clicking one edge, then clicking another, assuming there were two end points to click to. | |
GirlAnachronism wrote:
sldkfjs. Why does Byond hate my Vista computer? ]: I'd like to play, but it won't let me. x.x Any patches I could download? XP Watch this video on why this guy oved back to XP because of Vista, it's 51 minutes, but he's the most geekiest person I have seen, but I like everything he points out. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HELrxLdP85c | |
Danial.Beta wrote:
"And the default of hiding folder addresses in Explorer was horrible." What are you talking about, this is one of my favorite perks. You just click the name of the folder to go up in levels. Alternatively, you click to just the right of the address bar and it changes to the standard address for copying or going to another folder manually. I think you just like typing too much, anything that keeps me from having to move my hand to the keyboard to the mouse and back annoys me, I like either one or the other, not both:D Anyway, by default XP doesnt show the full address anyway does it. | |
Actually, XP does show full address by default, it's third party vendors that change that behavior.
Anything that forces me over to my mouse annoys me. The thing is, showing a full text address will still allow you to use the mouse only(There's an up button on explorer for a reason, at least in XP). Heck, I get angry at explorer for not working like Firefox by highlighting the address bar, rather than popping up a new window, with a blank address. I can do most anything with the keyboard(although I do use the mouse in web browsers and when clicking lots of buttons). And it really speeds things up, and simplifies them. | |
Right, I meant that default statement as a question. (rather than a statement) I wasn't 100 percent on that, it's been a while since I've used xp.
I like the way the address bar works for moving up, rather than using the up button, it's just more intuitive I guess. You should consider moving to linux:D It'd be more to your taste^.^ There's a lot to be said for using the command line, I'll definitely agree there. I just like the fact that in vista the UI is tighter when using the mouse. | |
Actually, I do run Linux. I own two Linux machines and one Windows XP(with a Linux partition). I know XP like the back of my hand, but I really enjoy Linux. I'm actually not a big fan of the CLI, though. I think it's always important to be able to take text commands, but text only commands tent to take a lot of memorization. But I believe the UI on XP is far better than Vista. Vista masks the way things work as much as possible. XP did a good job, mostly, of displaying everything clearly. The more power you take out of the hands of the user, the less useful the system becomes, at least for power users.
One thing I love about Linux is the ultimate control and power it gives me over my system. I don't know it as well as I know XP, but I can generally do more with it, even with the limited knowledge. With Linux, I feel like I own the machine. With Windows I feel like the OS owns the machine. | |
"at least for power users."
Don't get me wrong, I'm a poweruser myself. I just like the way vista's interface works. I'd personally have as much as possible automated, (I enjoy configuring it to be as automated as possible:P) That's why I like Ubuntu, everything just works, installing and uninstalling is a breeze (for supported software), every folder has a specific purpose and stuff that it holds (like /home and /mnt) vs windows (c:/windows/users/ or (My Computer?). But then you still have lowlevel access, changing permissions on the command line is a bit nicer than figuring it out through the windows interface, and recursively updating permissions is nice. Accessing my server is easy, go to the command line and then type "ssh server.com -U user". So nice, I wish vista would do all that just as easily :( But I will take vista over xp any day, because when it comes to windows I'm a mouse user unless I gotta type). | |