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 Nov 5 2007, 10:10 am
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Well im in a college speech class. And im doing my persuasive speech on how religion is not logical. This should be very interesting. My teacher really likes the idea and it should be pretty easy. I could think of thousands of reasons of why religion is not logical, but not many to support religion.
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Nov 5 2007, 10:48 am
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CaptFalcon33035
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Religion teaches morality, lessons, good behavior, manners, controls the masses (humans are beasts!) and can possible unite people under a common religion (Israel is an entire country!).
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Appledude wrote:
CaptFalcon33035 wrote: Same can be said for aetheists since they have nothing to fear, so counter-counter-counter argument..0_0 | |
Who said athiests have nothing to fear? The reverse of that would be that religious people have everything to fear, which is also just as false. Both have people who fear, and people who are brave.
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Appledude wrote:
CaptFalcon33035 wrote: Do the actual religions encourage people to murder, or is it just people who are twisting religious teachings in order to achieve their own ends? The Crusades, for example, was supposedly carried out by Christians, while Christ's teachings encourage pretty much the exact opposite of what happened there. | |
CaptFalcon33035 wrote:
Religion teaches morality Which is something that occurs naturally anyways. lessons, good behavior, manners What would be good for each of these is relative, changing from culture to culture. What one defines as good behavior and manners could be atriciously bad in another culture, and even go against their religion, making things bad. controls the masses (humans are beasts!) I can't argue with either of these points. They're undoubtedly true. and can possible unite people under a common religion (Israel is an entire country!). As are many of the Middle Eastern countries, and that area is consistently unstable, which can be traced back to Islamic extremists and their radical interpretation of their religion in many cases. It's undoubtable that while humans are still bound by human nature, wars are going to occur. Religion just complicates matters and gives some pretty damn stupid reasons to kill people. Why would you kill someone for simply believing in what you don't believe? That's an absolutely absurd idea that just leads to attempts to supress free speech and thought. | |
Becuase its a persuasive speech... Im trying to persuade the audience that religion is not logical, thus balancing it out with reasons of why it is would nullify any hope of persuading the audience in favor of my opinion.
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Cheeseburgermafia wrote:
Both have people who fear, and people who are brave. Those would be people who fear, and fools. | |
Mabye, but it may also get you extra points, for showing you went and learned the information. Plus, depending on what you use to counter-balance your arguement, may even make yours even better.
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Knifo wrote:
<snip>Becuase its a persuasive speech... Im trying to persuade the audience that religion is not logical</snip> Persuading people to believe that religion isn't logical!? Next, you'll be persuading people that engines are greasy! What madness is this? <snip>thus balancing it out with reasons of why it is would nullify any hope of persuading the audience in favor of my opinion.</snip> To the contrary, acknowledging reasons why you are wrong is a good way to build trust with the audience and encourage them to actually listen to what you have to say. Avoidance does not a strong opinion make. Are you worried that the statement "Religion is illogical." can't be supported very well, and that given a debate you would run into many counter-arguments? Good. You're right. So what's a persuasive speaker to do? Pick a topic with a narrower scope. Pick some particular religious teaching and persuade your audience that it is illogical. Explore its roots, show that the teaching is relevant to modern-day society, and explain how its illogic affects us. Perhaps through such a well thought out, targeted approach, you could actually effect a change in the way people approach a certain bit of divine wisdom. If you're feeling particularly bold, suggest a reinterpretation that fits better into today's world and follows the modern day's advances in logic. Then you will have a good persuasive speech to deliver. | |
Thats not how a persuasive speech works. I defenetly would not earn extra points. Thats like me trying to persuade an audience that guns should be aloud in school, then at the end throw in a few points on how guns should not be aloud in school. I wouldnt have done a good job making the audience feel that guns should be in schools would I? You stick to your beleif, and you stick to your argument.
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http://www.celebatheists.com/?title=George_Carlin
Here's something that I always loved, and in fact convinced me to listen to this show again. | |
The only reason you're a good person, of course, is because your religion tells you you should be one. Clearly.
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I agree with CaptFalcon33035 on this topic. While religion isn't always logical, it does teach people to be kinder to one another and helps instill faith. Without religion, we most likely would have never advanced as far as we have.
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All religion does is confirm your inherent ideas about reality. As most people are inherently okay people, religion has them being okay.
Then you get the odd fundy nutcase who was a bit screwed to begin with and then decided that an omnipotent, omniscient being wants them to kill all the jews/westeners/atheists/abortionists/muslims/whatever. I'm not sure on religion's place in the evolution of society. On one hand, it probably did have some selective benefits for small cultures at least, and during some periods religions can be entirely encouraging of science - the idea that you were merely exposing more of God's wondrous creation in earlier centuries, for example. On the other hand, Darwin, Galileo, Leonardo, and everyone else who the Christian church viciously attacked for their part in science. I'm not aware of any equivalents in the middle-eastern or Hindu parts of the world, but I'm willing to bet there are some. Additionally, the whole morass of religious wars over the centuries haven't helped progress much - the whole protestant/catholic thing in Britain, for example. For several centuries, the country went nowhere while successive monarchs banned protestantism/catholicism because they were catholic/protestant. Finally: helps instill faith Some of us would argue that's a bad thing. | |
Knifo wrote:
And im doing my persuasive speech on how religion is not logical. Logic deals with things that are demonstrable. Faith, on the other hand, is "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." So, yeah, I'd say your work is cut out for you! Other topics to consider for the future: water is not dry, and you can't capture music in a jar. :) | |
I'm not a supporter of religion and don't condone me as one. I think religion is stupid and their are other ways of doing what I claimed religion to do. Religion, however, seems to be just the easiest way to do them and there is a reason religion exists. Look at how people behaved without religion!
Overall, I think it was necessary to have in the past, but not quite necessary now. People looked to religion to answer their questions about things no one understood, about why things happened, and to give explanations to the unexplained. In more contemporary times, religion is becoming less and less valuable. | |
OK, I tried posting this reply earlier, but the site went down as I hit post <_< Luckily I c/p'd it to notepad.
Appledude wrote: With Islam, it's not that they are encouraged to kill the Jewish people and others (Well, some groups do encourage it), because many Muslims do NOT hate Jews or America. The hatred goes back to when Abraham and his people were migrating, and searching for a home. Supposedly his group kicked out the Muslim's ancestors, and stole the land from them. No no no no no no NO NO NO! I dont know where you got that from, but it is absolutely incorrect <_< Islam and Judaism are both Abrahamic religions. Christianity is the third Abrahamic religion. Being an Abrahamic religion means that they follow the God of Abraham. ((So yes, Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God, albeit with different interpretations)) The Qur'an refers to the Jews in many places as people that held special favour with God: O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me. Surah 2 Verse 40 God did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people, - Offspring, one of the other: And God heareth and knoweth all things. Surah 3 Verses 33-34 And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an imam (religious leader) to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." Surah 2 Verse 124 Throughout the history of Israel, the nation experienced times when it fell into sin and corruption. ...They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of God. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of God and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing. Surah 2 Verse 61 So, eventually it came to the point where, in the eyes of the Muslims, the Jewish had fallen away completely and considered themselves God-like. They rejected prophet after prophet, even Jesus Christ (whom Christians worship and Muslim's revere as a great prophet). The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from God increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. ... Surah 5 Verse 64 So, Muhammed, who (supposedly) is a descendant of Abraham through his first-born son Ishmael, who in the Jewish Tanakh (or Christian Old Testament), it was promised a nation would rise up out of him. But God said to Abraham, "Be not displeased because of the lad and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your descendants be named. And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring." Genesis 21:12-13 The Qu'ran still does not completely cast down the Jewish, however. Unfortunately, the slaughter of the Jewish and Christian by Islam fanatics and radicals goes completely against what is found in the Qu'ran, which really does have great meaning and wisdom to parts of it. | |
Do you know nothing about writing a persuasive speech/essay?
The majority of the essay focuses on your point, then you have 1-2 paragraphs (depending on the length of the speech/essay, possibly more) which address the opposite point of view (called the rebuttal), and then you have the conclusion which drives your point home and re-affirms it as the valid one. As long as you do it appropriately, you will show that while both sides have valid arguments, yours is the superior. ((Oh yeah, how is it no one has corrected the spelling of religion in the topic before now? <_<)) | |