non rip badge?

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Dec 16 2007, 10:10 am
hi. i was wondering if you like this badge i made when i was boooored.
[img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/gogeta126/ non-ripbadge.png[/img]
i dont mind if you paste it in your hub if the game is not a rip :P
Dec 16 2007, 10:14 am
Don't rip, eat chips!
Dec 16 2007, 10:19 am
No use BBcode on BYOND forum. Ungh.

Lummox JR
Dec 16 2007, 12:25 pm
In response to Lummox JR
Lummox JR wrote:
No use BBcode on BYOND forum. Ungh.

It wouldn't be that hard to add BBcode support, ya know. If I write you a bbcode2html procedure in the language of your choice, will you include it in the forum code?
Dec 16 2007, 1:15 pm
In response to PirateHead
PirateHead wrote:
Lummox JR wrote:
No use BBcode on BYOND forum. Ungh.

It wouldn't be that hard to add BBcode support, ya know. If I write you a bbcode2html procedure in the language of your choice, will you include it in the forum code?

I could see that breaking some older posts that actually use brackets. Anyway, why encourage people not to actually pay attention to things like the fact that not every forum supports BBcode, or that there's a preview button?

Lummox JR
Dec 16 2007, 1:47 pm
In response to Lummox JR
Lummox JR wrote:
PirateHead wrote:
Lummox JR wrote:
No use BBcode on BYOND forum. Ungh.

It wouldn't be that hard to add BBcode support, ya know. If I write you a bbcode2html procedure in the language of your choice, will you include it in the forum code?

I could see that breaking some older posts that actually use brackets.

We could implement it going forward only - the filter is applied to posts when they are submitted, not when they are retrieved and displayed.

Anyway, why encourage people not to actually pay attention to things like the fact that not every forum supports BBcode, or that there's a preview button?

The principal of least surprise has always been a good one to follow in software design. Many people expect that BBcode will work, and we could surprise them less by automatically converting their BBcode to the corresponding HTML before processing the submission.

Do I make a good case for inclusion of that feature?
Dec 16 2007, 1:51 pm
In response to PirateHead
PirateHead wrote:
The principal of least surprise has always been a good one to follow in software design. Many people expect that BBcode will work, and we could surprise them less by automatically converting their BBcode to the corresponding HTML before processing the submission.

Do I make a good case for inclusion of that feature?

Nope. The only people who expect BBcode to work are those who pay zero attention. BBcode works on BBcode boards, and boards that imitate BB's style. Those are kind of obvious because they all look similar. So when you're at a forum that looks nothing like that, assuming BBcode works doesn't make sense.

Lummox JR
Dec 16 2007, 3:34 pm
Games who are a rip could just as easily put this in their hub. Would make some confusion.
Dec 16 2007, 3:37 pm
I think we should stick to considering non-rips the standard, not the exception.
Dec 16 2007, 3:45 pm
In response to Lummox JR
Lummox JR wrote:
Anyway, why encourage people not to actually pay attention to things like the fact that not every forum supports BBcode, or that there's a preview button?

They were observant enough to learn how to use BBcode in the first place. So they can't be completely bad.
It's not their fault that they were taught 'this is how you post a link on a message board' instead of 'this is how you post a link on a BBcode compatible message board'.
Dec 16 2007, 4:00 pm
In response to DarkView
DarkView wrote:
Lummox JR wrote:
Anyway, why encourage people not to actually pay attention to things like the fact that not every forum supports BBcode, or that there's a preview button?

They were observant enough to learn how to use BBcode in the first place. So they can't be completely bad.
It's not their fault that they were taught 'this is how you post a link on a message board' instead of 'this is how you post a link on a BBcode compatible message board'.

I agree with that viewpoint. People have already acquired a certain skill, and with a very little effort on our part we could make that skill useful. Why not increase our interoperability with other forum systems?
Dec 16 2007, 8:25 pm
In response to Lummox JR
Lummox JR wrote:
Nope. The only people who expect BBcode to work are those who pay zero attention.

So... the only reason you won't include it is because you want to punish and expose people who don't know it's not a part of this forum? That seems a bit silly, especially considering there is no indication that it is not supported. Assuming it is supported isn't a bad assumption to make, since the great majority of forums do. This forum is the exception, not the rule.

BBcode works on BBcode boards, and boards that imitate BB's style. Those are kind of obvious because they all look similar. So when you're at a forum that looks nothing like that, assuming BBcode works doesn't make sense.

BBcode, or more correctly, UBBcode, is supported on more than just "BBcode boards", whatever you mean by that. It's rather old, and is still a popular tool on most forums, no matter what system they were based off of. Heck, Chatters supports BBcode, and it's not even a forum. Not supporting it, when someone is practically giving you the hard work of creating it for free, is a bit... asinine.
Dec 16 2007, 8:26 pm
In response to PirateHead
Don't chip, eat rips!
Dec 17 2007, 6:05 am
In response to Xooxer
Xooxer wrote:
So... the only reason you won't include it is because you want to punish and expose people who don't know it's not a part of this forum?

More like a punishment for people who don't care enough to preview their posts before they're submitted to make sure everything is displayed right.
Dec 17 2007, 6:10 am
In response to Xooxer
Xooxer wrote:
That seems a bit silly, especially considering there is no indication that it is not supported.

Wrong -- people aren't supposed to look for an indication that it's not supported, they're supposed to look for an indication that it is.

Otherwise, I could equally say that this forum supports the "Shop" feature I saw in several SMF boards (notably on the SS13 forums) unless it says in posting help that it's not. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bug report for the forums to make: I can't see the "shop" link.

-- Data
Dec 17 2007, 6:23 am
In response to Xooxer
Xooxer wrote:
Lummox JR wrote:
Nope. The only people who expect BBcode to work are those who pay zero attention.

So... the only reason you won't include it is because you want to punish and expose people who don't know it's not a part of this forum? That seems a bit silly, especially considering there is no indication that it is not supported. Assuming it is supported isn't a bad assumption to make, since the great majority of forums do. This forum is the exception, not the rule.

It's a plenty bad assumption; the only reason the majority of forums support it is that the majority of forums are based on or inspired by phpBB. And each one of those tells you outright if BBcode and/or HTML support is turned on. The mere fact that someone can't see a "BBcode is on" indicator is enough not to assume it's supported. In every BBcode-using forum I've ever seen, it always tells you point blank while you're making the post whether BBcode is available. If anything, based on people's familiarity with such boards I'd expect them not to realize HTML was available here either, rather than to assume BBcode was.

Anyway, it's moot because while the assumption is slightly understandable of a forum newbie, it's a pretty bad one from someone who's been posting for a while and has been around the forums enough.

Either way though, supporting BBcode is no skin off my back. The problem is that I don't maintain the forum code; Tom does. And he has way too much other stuff on his plate, including another major forum upgrade as it happens. Maybe he'd decide to go ahead with it, and maybe not.

Lummox JR
Dec 17 2007, 6:26 am
In response to Xooxer
I think BBCode is a bad thing in the first place. HTML is not that hard to learn, and modern computers are fast enough to be able to tell the difference between good HTML and bad HTML that BBCode just isn't needed. I can understand, when CPU power is limited, BBCode might seem like a good idea, because you don't have to worry about people sneaking in bad HTML in with the good, but I don't think that is a problem these days, and so people just need to learn a little HTML. It's the language of the web, and it will serve them a lot of good beyond these forums to spend the time to learn img and a tags.
Dec 17 2007, 5:03 pm
In response to Foomer
Foomer wrote:
Xooxer wrote:
So... the only reason you won't include it is because you want to punish and expose people who don't know it's not a part of this forum?

More like a punishment for people who don't care enough to preview their posts before they're submitted to make sure everything is displayed right.

I honestly rarely hit the preview button, but considering I always look at my post immediately after hitting the post button, any glaring mistakes I make get fixed rather fast xD
Dec 18 2007, 10:36 am
In response to Danial.Beta
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of BBCode. I just think it's a little harsh to bash someone for expecting it to work.
Dec 18 2007, 10:55 am
In response to DarkView
I don't think Lummox did bash him, though. He gave his normal "No put usr in proc. Ungh." quote, with different words. It pointed out the problem, and clear engrish. He didn't say "Hey moron, this forum doesn't use that crap BBCode, it uses HTML like real men should." because that would be bashing.
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