Look, I know you byond staff have said multiple times that "Its impossible to get a source with a resource/dmb extractor, only icons and such" But your WRONG. It -IS- possible and its going on rampant across byond by anyone who is getting access to host files to games.
Recently I gave the host files (NOT the source, the HOST FILES) to a guy named Truesdale, I KNEW this guy wasnt exactly trustworthy but I needed a host at the time, he spread the files to a lot of people after I told him not to. Long story short, a guy named Wiked who I guess you could say is one of my "arch-nemesis" on byond, who swore he would ruin my game, got the host files.
NOW he has extracted about 60% of the CODE, ALL the Icon files, and the Map files. And he is threatening to spread the source to my game which he basically HACKED straight off my host files and spread it all across byond once he has a coherent source, which he is not far from.
I just want to make it VERY CLEAR that I DID NOT in ANY way GIVE him the SOURCE, he is a HACKER or something and STEALS peoples sources from their HOST FILES that he comes across because MOST host files are OPENLY AVAILABLE for HOSTING.
I have over 50 people (atleast) that can vouch for him to be BYOND banned, although this wont solve my problem particularly, it will help hinder his further abuse somewhat.
His keys are:
Wiked, W1ked, Beamedzor, and Spuzzum the wise.
Supporters of this claim who actually WITNESSED this event will be here shortly.
[Edit] One more thing I should add. Although my game is classified as a "DBZ" game (however loosely based it may be), it is -NOT- a rip, atleast in the coding department. I do have very few ripped turfs and hairs in the game, obtained from public sources, but those compile only about 2-4% of the total icons contained within the game at best. When it comes to coding in byond, I have no problem doing it, thus no need nor will to rip, as I hate ripping anyway because no matter what you do the games always come out the same anyway.
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 Dec 30 2007, 6:08 am (Edited on Dec 30 2007, 7:01 am)
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Dec 30 2007, 6:18 am
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I'm going to have to agree. The one known as Truesdale has caused nothing but problems in the past and also threatened one of the server's to have it hacked, and so on. Without a doubt I believe he has gave the host files to unwanted person named Wiked in an attempt to ruin Dragonn's efforts.
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Dragonn wrote:
Look, I know you byond staff have said multiple times that "Its impossible to get a source with a resource extractor, only icons and such" But your WRONG. It -IS- possible and its going on rampant across byond by anyone who is getting access to host files to games. Negative. The resource files (.rsc files) do not contain code, only resources such as graphics (icons) and sounds. The .dmb file contains the code and the map. The only way he'd be able to extract working .dm files from it if he has an extractor for dmb files and a brain, since he'd need to translate the broken code back to it's .dm original. Of course, anybody smart enough to do this is smart enough not steal in the first place. It could be that your source-code was leaked by other means, which you should investigate. I KNEW this guy wasnt exactly trustworthy but I needed a host at the time, he spread the files to a lot of people after I told him not to. Sending potentially secret files to untrustworthy people? I just want to make it VERY CLEAR that I DID NOT in ANY way GIVE him the SOURCE, In that case he would be unable to obtain .dm files, since the only way for him to get them would be through a leak of the source, not the host files. he is a HACKER or something and STEALS peoples sources from their HOST FILES that he comes across because MOST host files are OPENLY AVAILABLE for HOSTING. The sky is not falling. Supporters of this claim who actually WITNESSED this event will be here shortly. Did these supporters witness the event, or are they simply told to post here? And even if they did witness the event, how do you figure any of them is smart enough to consider the source-code was leaked or recreated from scratch? -- Data | |
Android Data wrote:
Negative. The resource files (.rsc files) do not contain code, only resources such as graphics (icons) and sounds. Fine then that is what he is doing. Whatever the proper terminology is for this, he -IS- getting the source somehow from something in the Hosting Files. And no, it is impossible that my source was leaked. It has never been given out and I am the only one who has access to my computer. The only possible way is if someone (Obviously Wiked since HE has them), is some kind of hacker and took them straight off of my computer. WHICH should be punished, no matter HOW he did it! He is a menace to the byond society, not just me, ignore this situation at the communities peril. | |
Dragonn wrote:
NOW he has extracted over half the DM files (NOT DMI, actually DMI too but still), he now has 12 out of 22 of the CODE files, ALL the Icon files, and the Map files. And he is threatening to spread the source to my game which he basically HACKED straight off my host files and spread it all across byond. I stopped reading your post at this point and laughed, realizing what was actually going on here. Your source was leaked, buddy. The only way your source can get into your .RSC is if you use source files as if they're resources with single quotes. The DMB doesn't recognize the source as being separated into files, because the compiler passes your DME to the compiler and it treats it as one huge file, hence the #include statements in your DME. The DMB just sees one huge flow of code, and no file names or separation by files. | |
Personally, i'm not going to say anything about the whole hacking thing. That being said, I will admit that this guy is a grade A nuisance, and is a bane to developers on this game. Speaking as someone who's hosted for the OP, it says alot that he managed to get an updated source for the game that's being discussed here, especially since the source hasn't been available for some time, as I understand it. If nothing else, the guy is tricky, and a real pain in the ass.
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Audeuro wrote:
Dragonn wrote: What I mean to say then, is that he has 60% of random parts of the code and is putting them together to make a coherent source, which he intends to spread. And your 100% incorrect, my source was not leaked because it is IMPOSSIBLE because I DID NOT GIVE IT TO ANYONE. Thats my point, however he DID get it he should be banned for it. Note that Im not angry while typing this, the exclamations are to highlight important parts of my topic that for some reason people commonly misunderstand, even byond staff. | |
Le Vaughn / Heavens_Twilight_Zero / BrianXenith:
I for one admit True is illegaly ripping and hosting games. This wasn't the first time he has been accused of this, however you should make it the last. Its a stupid cycle of "Who did what", and he keeps getting away with it, hence why he does it more. I hope you deal with him acordingly. | |
Dragonn wrote:
What I mean to say then, is that he has 60% of random parts of the code and is putting them together to make a coherent source, which he intends to spread. Then why did you say he had a definite number of DM files if you didn't mean that he actually has those files? Note that Im not angry while typing this, the exclamations are to highlight important parts of my topic that for some reason people commonly misunderstand, even byond staff. Because the explanation you're trying to put forth for your story (which is rather inconsistent now) isn't reasonable at all. | |
Dragonn wrote:
Look, I know you byond staff have said multiple times that "Its impossible to get a source with a resource/dmb extractor, only icons and such" But your WRONG. It -IS- possible and its going on rampant across byond by anyone who is getting access to host files to games. Frelling GADS man. Use some common sense. An .rsc file contains no code. To get code you have to fully decompile a .dmb file and then convert the results from that into something usable. Text strings can be extracted from the .dmb though. Recently I gave the host files (NOT the source, the HOST FILES) to a guy named Truesdale, I KNEW this guy wasnt exactly trustworthy but I needed a host at the time, he spread the files to a lot of people after I told him not to. Long story short, a guy named Wiked who I guess you could say is one of my "arch-nemesis" on byond, who swore he would ruin my game, got the host files. One fairly obvious hole in your story: If he was able to decompile source code then it'd come all in one lump file, not broken out into neat little .dm files like yours started with. If he has it separated by file like your code, it's because your actual source has been compromised. I just want to make it VERY CLEAR that I DID NOT in ANY way GIVE him the SOURCE, he is a HACKER or something and STEALS peoples sources from their HOST FILES that he comes across because MOST host files are OPENLY AVAILABLE for HOSTING. Source must be DECOMPILED from a .dmb in ORDER to be accessed AT all, and THERE is no way HE managed to do that IN the way you DESCRIBED. It's very UNLIKELY he's a HACKER of any kind. I have over 50 people (atleast) that can vouch for him to be BYOND banned, although this wont solve my problem particularly, it will help hinder his further abuse somewhat. I'm not averse to banning a key that impersonates the real Spuzzum, but staff will not ban based on hearsay. Supporters of this claim who actually WITNESSED this event will be here shortly. Really? They stood behind him the whole time while he ran a program to decompile your source and then spent weeks cleaning it up, breaking it into different .dm files, and making it look just like yours? These supporters of yours must be the most awesome spies ever, or else they have the power to turn invisible at will. I really hope it's the latter, because that would be cool. [edit] For a second I almost thought you'd have people posting some actual useful information to back you up, not a bunch of friends saying little more than "me too" or "I vouch for Dragonn". All you've done is convince a few dozen people to spam the forums, which just means extra cleanup work. Thank you so much. Next time, please take this kind of thing to a chat where cooler heads can prevail eventually. At the very least, don't invite everyone you know to add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Lummox JR | |
Audeuro wrote:
Dragonn wrote: I was trying to simply my explanation, I dont know -exactly- how a extractor works. 12 / 22 = about 60%, THAT is why. | |
Lummox, I dont know what format his code is in, all I know is that he has 60% of the code, whether its in proper DM files or not I dont know but I doubt it.
I was trying to suggest a simplistic answer, I personally have -never- used an extractor so I DONT know how it would come out once extracted. But the fact is THIS: He -DID- get the code from the host files without permission or anyone's knowledge using an illegal program, along with every icon file, IT IS illegal, HE SHOULD be banned. If you want the simple version without my preconceived judgements about how an extractor works, there it is. And you say that its unlikely he is a hacker, and that the method described to retrieve the code and icons is impossible. Well, I keep telling you and everyone else that I have -NEVER- released the "source" to the game Im referring to (Which is Dragon Ball Finale). So if I have -NEVER- released the source and it has never been on the internet at any time and I am the only one who has personal access to my computer then how do you presume he got it? Only two ways I can think of: He hacked it straight off of my computer (In which case he would have the proper DM files broken into their original order, which in 99% likeliness he does not), or he got it from "something" in the host files using some sort of program, which is the answer like 9000 people have told me has happened, Wiked himself even SAID thats how he did it. The man himself ADMITS to doing this! How can you be still denying this when like 40 people have already responded to this verifying that HE himself admitted to doing it and everyone else claims he did it, yet somehow he is still off the hook? The guy is a menace to the community, this isnt the first and wont be the last game he has done this too, but he has a personal grudge against me (Im not even sure why I barely remember the guy) and he is going to spread the source all over byond in an attempt to get back at me personally for whatever he is mad about. Personally he is just a douchebag, I think thats why he is mad. Lummox: "For a second I almost thought you'd have people posting some actual useful information to back you up, not a bunch of friends saying little more than "me too" or "I vouch for Dragonn". All you've done is convince a few dozen people to spam the forums, which just means extra cleanup work. Thank you so much. Next time, please take this kind of thing to a chat where cooler heads can prevail eventually. At the very least, don't invite everyone you know to add absolutely nothing to the conversation." These people are claiming to be witnesses to Wiked -ADMITTING- he did this on my game. This isnt "hearsay", the guy admitted to it where over 60 byonders saw with their own eyes and now they are here as witnesses. I know this isnt a court of law but if someone came in with 40 eye-witnesses I think they would win... | |
Dragonn wrote:
Lummox, I dont know what format his code is in, all I know is that he has 60% of the code, whether its in proper DM files or not I dont know but I doubt it. You said over half of the .dm files. Also, how would you "know" it's over 60% if you haven't seen it? And how could it be only 60% if he did use a decompiler? I was trying to suggest a simplistic answer, I personally have -never- used an extractor so I DONT know how it would come out once extracted. The fact that you also know nothing about how his actual results are formatted convinces me you don't even know for sure whether he has such results. You have no evidence even for your own purposes. But the fact is THIS: He -DID- get the code from the host files without permission or anyone's knowledge using an illegal program, along with every icon file, IT IS illegal, HE SHOULD be banned. It "is" illegal? Based on what? Staff certainly made no such decree. And the icon files at least are dirt simple to pull out. But so far you don't even have anything solid to back up the "fact" that he has your source at all. If you want the simple version without my preconceived judgements about how an extractor works, there it is. Your preconceived judgment about how it works is that apparently it's magic and can pull out all kinds of stuff it can't. A decompiler is a radically different program and more complicated by about three orders of magnitude. It's a difficult premise to accept that this guy wrote or obtained one, let alone one that would only give him partial results like that. Lummox JR | |
I have 35+ witnesses right here that witnessed him admitting to it and giving a whole dialog about "how he did it". Also I have extended my old post since you quoted it just so you know. I'll tell the witnesses to stop posting here, being as the posts they put are being deleted, but there were 81 people logged onto my game when this occurred, thus 81 witnesses maximum, and judging from these responses 35 witnesses minimum. Thats a lot of witnesses man, that has to count for something when the guy admitted his own wrong doings.
*sigh* He is just getting away with it again... Seriously he is laughing his ass off right now that we are failing to bring justice to him. Im not even being sarcastic, he is. And he is mocking the hell out of us. Oh Im referring to Wiked by the way. I didnt believe him when he said nothing would happen to him out of this but it looks like against ALL odds he is right again. My reputation is even better than his is! I have helped byond discover a legitimate bug or two, I have helped people solve their code problems a couple hundred times in my years of being here, and Im well-liked within the communities I involve myself in for the most part. I know you byond admins cant be expected to know mine and his reputation, Im just saying its too bad you -CANT-, because you would know without a doubt how much trouble this guy is. And you say all my witnesses are useless. If my post and all my witnesses are useless then how is it to be expected that Wiked will ever have any consequence for scamming people on byond constantly? If everyone's word against him and multiple reports in the past arent enough then he will -NEVER- get caught. Then after take a look at my reputation, and then look at Wiked's, youll see an incredible contrast, nearly polar opposite... If you knew how many games he has ripped, how many people he has scammed, how much trouble he has caused in general and still gotten away with it. THEN you would know what we are talking about. digitalmouse: "Lastly, speaking as a forum moderator: please keep the cussing off the BYOND boards. Otherwiae you may find yourself banned fr violating forum policies. You bunch should be old enough to know better. " I see no cussing, not from me atleast. I give up for now. But digitalmouse, you say this guy isnt the real deal and he isnt serious and probably isnt a threat, I can tell you that he is, and when he says he has what he has, he means it. I already know he does in fact have the icons because he is using them everywhere, and sure getting the icons is a far contract from getting the code, but he -is- capable and theres like a 99% chance he does have what he says he has. He isnt some total stranger to me, I hang out at the same places on byond that he does, therefore I know his past actions and they add greatly to the probability that he has done what he says he has. But as I said, I give up, I have two byond admins against me therefore Wiked wins and gets away with his actions once again, for atleast the second time that I know of. But mark my words I am atleast the second person he has done this to, and people I trust claim that he has done it many many more times than that. I'll pop in to read new posts but I dont think i'll be creating any more responses, I've said all I can think of regarding this. | |
Dragonn wrote:
I have 35+ witnesses right here that witnessed him admitting to it and giving a whole dialog about "how he did it". Also I have extended my old post since you quoted it just so you know. Uh, dude, REALITY CHECK: People lie. Especially on the internet. | |
Dragonn wrote:
I have 35+ witnesses right here that witnessed him admitting to it and giving a whole dialog about "how he did it". Also I have extended my old post since you quoted it just so you know. I'll tell the witnesses to stop posting here, being as the posts they put are being deleted, And should you have the notion in the future to bring in "witnesses", do us all a favor and don't. It's bad enough for a new thread to appear that's basically hysteria and flamebait, but inviting dozens of people to spam it up for you is worse. The fact that you have 30-odd people vouching for you does not enhance your credibility, especially when not one of them offered anything of substance. They were basically all saying "I support Dragonn" or "Ban him!". Not one of those posts that was deleted had any value. One was even blank. but there were 81 people logged onto my game when this occurred, thus 81 witnesses maximum, and judging from these responses 35 witnesses minimum. Thats a lot of witnesses man, that has to count for something when the guy admitted his own wrong doings. You have nothing solid here. A bunch of people saw him say something. Their word here is meaningless even if he did, and even then you have no proof he wasn't talking out of his butt. Your story about the source code makes no sense. First you say he has 12 of 22 DM files (that's awfully specific), then 60%, then say you're not even aware what kind of format it's in because you haven't seen it? In other words, you have nothing but a guy saying "Ha ha, I have your source" and a lot of people who saw him say that. You're overreacting to a guy who was trying to bait you and who is quite unlikely to be 100% on the level. That he could get your host files or icons I have no doubt. Source is something else. Lummox JR | |
Since when is a resource extractor illegal? I,d love to see the rules or laws pertaning to that..
And please stop calling him a hacker. He is a little wanna-be piss-ant who got a hold of your game and an extractor. Were he even marginally skilled at decompiling anything, he would have already been sucdessful at dumping out your gamecode to others in the community while we,ve been posting here. Obviously that is not the case. I bet he hasn,t got anything worth showing. If he thinks he is so good, then I challenge the kid to cough-up anything actually useful that we can see. Lastly, speaking as a forum moderator: please keep the cussing off the BYOND boards. Otherwiae you may find yourself banned fr violating forum policies. You bunch should be old enough to know better. | |
Dragonn wrote:
What I mean to say then, is that he has 60% of random parts of the code and is putting them together to make a coherent source, which he intends to spread. I'm not one to impede on a argument but you shouldn't especially be worried based on what you just said. If he has random pieces of coding, and is sticking them together to make it work, then it isn't your source anymore. It's what he thinks you meant; there's no way he could rearrange the code to be exactly like your game's original source. | |
I would still love to see evidence on several things:
- the 35+ witnesses in the chatroom where the kid admits to stealing your game source. Any logs? - examples of the actual stolen code. Someone must have a copy by now. | |
digitalmouse wrote:
I would still love to see evidence on several things: Good gads, if they're around, let's not encourage anyone to post them here. Chat logs posted to the forums are usually laced with profanity, and they're worse than useless. As it is a good number of his "witnesses" came forward but said nothing about what actually happened, only that they supported Dragonn. Any trial lawyer who ever paraded out 20 useless witnesses like that would get gavel-slapped. - examples of the actual stolen code. Someone must have a copy by now. The fact that Dragonn can't stick to a consistent story on the events convinces me no one has seen any stolen code, that they're just taking the troll's word for it that he stole it. Lummox JR | |