Kija:
I have seen many small parties, and all have worked out well.

Did you seriously just claim that all small parties have worked out well? Every single one of them? Statements like that are exactly why I think you're just saying whatever sounds good for your defense.


Kija:
Enforcing a very minor rule does not make one power hungry or looking for excuses to ban. I do not remember a single person who has any major discipline from using excessive capital letters; they are simple asked nicely to use less. I believe that is very fair, nor is it ridiculous.

Once again, no one is saying to not enforce rules. We're saying don't make stupid rules. Is there a law against people being annoying? No. That's all that capital letters are at their worst. Yet you have a rule against them. You don't need a rule to be enforced by moderation to keep annoyances from showing up on your game, the community will effectively haze anything it doesn't like. Power to people, man.
Kija:
I have seen many small parties, and all have worked out well.

Stupot:
Did you seriously just claim that all small parties have worked out well? Every single one of them? Statements like that are exactly why I think you're just saying whatever sounds good for your defense.

He said all small parties he has seen have worked out well. And maybe he is exaggerating some, but your statement still exactly why I think you're an idiot.



Kija:
One of the main things Mettool said was that we ignored him and treated him as just a host without equal say. But now you are suggesting that we should do just that.

SilkWizard:
Exactly. As just a host he SHOULDN'T have equal say. I'm not worried about Mettool being miffed over not having a equal say- you're missing the point.

The fact is SilkWizard, he wasn't just a host. He had been on the development longer before he began hosting. He was only hosting because we didn't have anyone else to host. So stop posting about things you don't have full knowledge of. You're only making yourself look like an ass.
Out of curiousity...do I know you, Dever?
I know you.
Okay, but have I seen you somewhere before? I think your name is familiar but I can't place it anywhere. :/
"Abuse among the adminstrators I believe is pretty rare. Most has just been mistakes and overreacting, which when does occur, the person in fault is told and explained how to better the situation. Those that do make the mistakes have even at times apologized to those their mistakes were acted on."

Certain members of your staff 'overract' quite a bit from what I've seen playing FF:The Horrible Grind.

Staff who start insulting players for voicing ideas to help a game are people you could *probably* do without.
I was not claiming that enforcing rules was what you said was bad. I said that enforcing that specific rule you claimed was bad, as referring to the capital letters rule.

Even if the rule may seem stupid, it still does not make a person power hungry. There is a difference from viewing someone as strict and viewing someone as power hungry.
If you truly have seen so many of the staff act so horribly, then where are the reports? I have seen no information from anyone reporting any incident. Another has already lied about why he was banned, so I am not surprised.

People are not insulted for voicing ideas to help a game. On the forums, there is even a suggestions and complaints section. On the server, if someone wishes to speak about something, even if it has to do with problems with the game, server, or any adminstration actions, they may speak about it. I have discussed information with players before, and many have been very calm and respectful, as I was.
It seems as though an opinion of the general public is being voiced right now, that a lot of the rules on THG are unnecessarily restrictive, thus making people not comfortable on the game. And instead of listening to this very strongly voiced opinion, you are choosing to stand by your ground that there is no such thing going on. Just because this opinion wasn't filed in the correct place doesn't mean it's not a valid concern. Don't get me wrong, this particular post isn't any sort of a debate against your stance, it's a post to help you recognize that perhaps you should listen to the complaints here to improve your game, instead of defending why you behaved as you did in the past.
I lost all respect for your development team and your moderation "style" when I saw this:

- Do not spam. This also includes using multiple letters. Some examples would be: "What?????" and "Helloooooooo". The maximum of multiple letters preferred is three. So instead of "What?????", the preferred is "What???".

I think that that speaks for itself.
A few people on a blog post is hardly any sort of large voice. Some players do not like it, others do. Not everyone can be happy. People will always have different opinions.

What is wrong with disallowing spam? I believe that is a very reasonable rule. People do not need to spam the world with ten question marks when asking a question. It is just spam. I believe allowing three is very reasonable and fair for that situation.
It depends on where you draw the line for spam. For you, it might be "????". Others expect spam to be walls and walls of copy-pasted text. The rule breaks down to "you're not allowed to use the same letter more than three times in a row." I don't think I ever broke that rule, but it's a weird one nonetheless.
Kija, I've played THG off and on for longer than I care to remember, and it has always been a game of horrible grinding.

That grinding was only made less insane by the fact that some high level people were willing to group people and powerlevel them as much as possible, now that's gone.

The moderation I've seen by some of your less-than-sane members (Hello Mahn, still believing fairy-tales?), and attacks I've taken by giving suggestions to fix rather poorly designed things have been met with nothing short of immature rudeness.

I know the 'brotherhood' suffers from bias and poor judgement like everyone else, but the only place I've seen where mods had shorter fuses, was FFL back when there was dozens of mods (and some of them are THG related as I recall).


I remember when Mahn banned me after I publicly made him look like an ass after he attacked me for suggesting a change to the dino's 'eat' ability, which is one of the most absurd abilities I've ever seen in a BYOND game. I PMed druid (via the dwo forums since I didn't see him on AIM at the time), and got unbanned. I also had a chat with him, and after that chat, I can safely call bullshit on the 'oh druid ment alot tto us' statements.

THG is becoming a horrible game. You might think that stupidly long grinding make a game good, but you'd be wrong. Making leveling a pain in the ass does not make a game fun. I'm glad druid stopped. It wasn't enjoyable for him, and people gave him way too much shit.

"Oh youre playing WoW, wtf you're making us lag hen you do that."

Shit like that makes me want to delete people, but I don't, because I've enforced on gaves for the past 6 1/2 years, and I don't just rush into something, not do I cave to the masses (like with insane baka's pk spres in FFO not long ago, yet now people who hated him then, are in a domain with him).

And unless you've learned how to balance monsters, small parties get destroyed unless they're cookiecutters of the 'good' setups, just like diablow.
A few people on a blog isn't a voice.

The fact there's only 15 people on THG, where you can multikey (or could last time I bothered to play), while the 'next best' FF game has over double that (where you cannot multikey unless gaku manually codes it), is a pretty good voice in itself.

And "OMG NO WAY!!!!", is not spam.

YOU FFVJDSLGFASDJFADJGJKSDFJFSAD
LFGDJADSJSFJBFKSFJDSJSD
FJFSDFSJGJFKG...etc x5, is spam.

If druid still has the PM from me when mahn banned me, I'll have to have him send it to me. I remember pasting Mahn's ban lie for me, I believe it was 'spam and abuse'. I'll admit I did abuse him pretty badly over the global channel, and he earned it every time he replied with more and more bullshit.

I suggest you go play an MMO with good customer support and good GG/player relation, or even a good MUD, and learn what 'spam' really is.

THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (altho it IS annoying)

THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!
THIS IS SPAM!!!!111!one!1!elevendy!


It's not wrong for you to admit your faults in moderation and enforcement Kija, everyone makes mistakes. I had the benefit of making mine on Ivalice MUD years back when it was small... and before Mt. Ordeals got removed due to abuse.
Kija, do you really believe it is spam if you say "Ahhhh"? Does your staff really sit there and wait for someone to put more than 3 letters in a row so they can jump on them and get to be a moderator? Somehow I'm not seeing this picture perfect atmosphere that's being described. Instead, I see a highly hostile atmosphere where people are afraid to chat lest they accidentally incur the wrath of a GM who had a bad day and is itching to take it out on someone.

That's what I'm talking about. If your staff makes tiny rules like that, they are too active.

Oh, and stop telling people how to chat. That'll make people want to play your game. What an elitist thing to do, restricting the way people talk.
I never said there were not problems with the game. When I posted a message earlier to Sarm, I explained that.

From an action you claim Mahn has done, a single person, suddenly the entire team is evil. I do not believe we have short fuses. As I explained in a previous post:

"People are not insulted for voicing ideas to help a game. On the forums, there is even a suggestions and complaints section. On the server, if someone wishes to speak about something, even if it has to do with problems with the game, server, or any adminstration actions, they may speak about it. I have discussed information with players before, and many have been very calm and respectful, as I was."

As I said, I have seen many small parties, and all I have worked out well.

Final Fantasy Online is good game. I do not like the click set up much, but it is well done, so naturally, people will like to play it. They are also different games in how they are played. On is more action and another is turn based. Majority of people prefer action based games.

No, we do not sit there and moderate everything and wait for something to happen. We do have other areas of our lives. We are not hostile however, and people are still free to say what they want, and the "wrath" is that you speak is this: "Please do not spam multiple letters."

As a moderator, bad days should not affect anyone's actions, and must be within the rules. As I said before, just because a few rules seem strict, does not mean we are evil people who are waiting to abuse people.

Plenty of games have rules to keep chatting in order. It is not about being elite.
But do you really not see how unnecessary those tiny rules are? I'm surprised you don't have rules about how ruling making should be executed. Those small rules might seem insignificant to you, but to someone just starting to play, the sheer amount of stupid rules like how many letters is too many letters and how many capital words are too many capital words, would be a definate turn off.
Kija:
Plenty of games have rules to keep chatting in order. It is not about being elite.

The rules that prevent spamming etc. are there for the protection/benefit of the players. When your rules start to intrude upon normal players enjoying the game, you've gone too far.

Even giving someone a simple warning over having "too many letters" is absolutely ridiculous and annoying. Ugh. This is just another simple case of a bunch of clueless developers having absolutely no idea how to properly moderate a game.
And no, Mahn being an asshole and not being able to even say he's sorry for personally attacking me because I gave a suggeation does not make you all evil.

Actions of others in game, using a 'holier than thou' attitude, does do that though.

Also, something few 'developer teams' seem to realize is this:

You're a developer/mapper/coder/bug hunter/whatever. That does not magically turn you into judge dredd, gm dave, or any other icon of 'justice'. that's why if you log onto an MMO, your petitions get handled by the GM team, not the dev team. THG suffers from having admins who pure and simply have no excuse to be one. If someone can't be proud of their game and work without having admin commands in game, they are pathetic, and give yet another reason why they SHOULD NOT have those commands.

I do thank you guys for helping prove druids point.

To summarize:

Druid: *reasons why I left THG*
Kija: Lies, we loved him, he's lying, WE WERE THERE.

And you do have short fuses. Some of your rules, mainly the 'spam' rule, is proof of that. The 'I'm better than you, mortal' additude some of the staff have had while I played, is another nail in that coffin.


I'd love to know the 'worked well' small parties you saw. a couple level 1s in the first area does not count. Most fights later on are nothing short of a slaughter for players of the area's level.

Anyone who wants some basics in 'GM ethics 101' should make friends with sdome higher up of a successful MUD, or a well-run MMO (this EXCLUDES BLIZZARD, as their CS is HORRIBLE and makes baby jesus cry).
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