Theodis wrote:

In a multiplayer game where data is stored client side cheating should be expected as it is unavoidable. You also run into John Gabreil's Theory(http://www.penny-arcade.com/ view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l) so you should have been only bothering to play with people you know anyway.

I'd say that's more of a Law than a Theory. :)

Shades wrote:

First of all, it'd be nice if you spelt what you were saying correctly. Secondly I don't agree with you entirely.

Say you buy a copy of Windows Xp. You own that copy and can use it, but there are certian laws or rules that say certian things you can and cannot do with it. I'm not exactly sure, but couldn't a person make a "End User Agreement" about the save files you recive with client side saving?

Hah! That'll just give the cheaters more reason to cheat!

Ok, I recieved a file for Dragon Warrior Legacy with a .dmb and some player savefiles. I opened Foomer's (thanks) Savefile Editor which Airjoe posted (thanks) and than I moved to edit my player savefile and wish to give myself GM commands, which I also found this.

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.0
type = /skill/dragonkiller
eqp = 9
name = "Dragonkiller"
nwskill = object(".0")
.0
type = /skill/morningstar
eqp = 7
name = "Morningstar"
seskill = object(".0")
.0
type = /skill/rest
eqp = 3
name = "Rest"
swskill = object(".0")
.0
type = /skill/icesaber
eqp = 1
name = "Icesaber"
other_skills = list()
base_saved_verbs = list(
/mob/player/proc/partyleave,
/mob/player/proc/partywho,
/mob/player/proc/partysay,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmute,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMunban,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMban,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMpwipe,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMboot,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMannounce,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmakearea,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmakemob,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmaketool,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMdelobjmob,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMseeareas,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmakeitem,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmakestat,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMmaketurf,
/mob/player/GM/verb/GMghostform,
/mob/player/verb/QuickItem,
/mob/player/verb/HorseSpeed,
/mob/player/verb/create_party,
/mob/player/verb/HUD_options,
/mob/player/verb/turn_walk,
/mob/player/verb/look,
/mob/player/verb/who,
/mob/player/verb/toggleworldsay,
/mob/player/verb/tell,
/mob/player/verb/worldemote,
/mob/player/verb/emote,
/mob/player/verb/worldsay,
/mob/player/verb/say)
gold = 71314
HP = 1097
MaxHP = 1317
exp = 269964
str = 33
agi = 16
vit = 32
int = 11
name = "barathos"
icon = object("../original_icon",0)
density = 0
gender = "male"
contents = list(
object(".0"),
object(".1"),
object(".2"),
object(".3"),
object(".4"),
object(".5"),
object(".6"),
object(".7"),
object(".8"),
object("../seskill/.0"),
object("../nwskill/.0"),
object(".9"),
object(".10"),
object(".11"),
object(".12"),
object("../neskill/.0"),
object("../swskill/.0"),
object(".13"),
object(".14"),
object(".15"),
object(".16"),
object(".17"))
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type = /skill/attack
name = "Attack"
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type = /skill/defend
name = "Defend"
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type = /skill/club
name = "Club"
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type = /obj/menu/selectquickitem
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type = /obj/menu/neskill
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type = /obj/menu/nwskill
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type = /obj/menu/seskill
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type = /obj/menu/swskill
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type = /skill/thornwhip
name = "Thornwhip"
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type = /skill/chainsickle
name = "Chainsickle"
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type = /skill/swordoflethargy
name = "Swordoflethargy"
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type = /skill/battleaxe
name = "Battleaxe"
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type = /skill/flamesword
name = "Flamesword"
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type = /item/gem/crown
eqp = 1
suffix = "Equipped"
.14
type = /item/amulet/warrior
eqp = 1
suffix = "Equipped"
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type = /item/amulet/increase
eqp = 1
suffix = "Equipped"
.16
type = /item/key
name = "Bar key"
.17
type = /item/key
name = "Lord Barathos's House key"
invisibility = 50
key = "Barathos"
see_invisible = 50
last_x = 29
last_y = 7
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Would that (if entered into the edit box) give me GM commands?

BUT ONLY ON HIS SERVER.

Why do you care?

You're not getting it.
DWL is only hosted by the owner, or his close friends. Same with dragon warrior online, and amny other respectable games. Whoever hosts the main server, and would upload an edited .sav should not be hosting the main server.

mob
verb
Savefile2Textfile(savefile as text, textfile as text)
var/savefile/edit = new(savefile)
var/txt = file(textfile)
edit[ckey] << usr
edit.ExportText("/",txt)

Textfile2Savefile(textfile as text, savefile as text)
var/savefile/edit = new(savefile)
var/txt = file(textfile)
edit.ImportText("/",txt)
edit[ckey] >> usr

Actully alot of byond games I used to play, who used to support client side saving no longer will because of crap like those damn save file editors.

And yeh, they have those encryptors now, but you can still get around those if you are really determined, and I'm not sure how many people want to pay for one. Unless they are free now? :P

The point is, if someone had that going on their server and did nothing about it, then why would you even want to play there in the first place?

since when has ignorance become acceptable.. You can't ignore the fact that anyone can make a savefile editor in 15 minutes, so get over it and figure out ways to protect yourself by putting in security measures. No amount of 'secrecy' will protect you in the end.

Garthor wrote:

The best security measure is to encrypt everything except for one variable, "GM", which when set to 1 will ban the IP address and key of the person trying to upload the savefile, and then will delete their save file.

Don't forget to save a "special" client-side savefile in case they get sneaky. ;)