silk...
i think the problem here, as you have addressed, is that "Zoltor" (apparently) has no idea what it takes to complete a project so immense, ESPECIALLY one that:
1. is expected so much of
2. is supposed to be a "clone" (you know what i mean) of another game, worked on by an entire team of developers (dragon warriors 1-4)
3. has SO much room for bugs that can ruin the entire game, whether lag-wise, or otherwise
I am a (small, but important) part of the team currently working on dw:soe2, which, (with any luck) will even come CLOSE to living up to the dwo1.90/silkwizard standard for creating a dragon warrior game. with that said, i must also say that THIS SHIT IS GOD DAMNED HARD, MR. ZOLTOR, AND ANY OTHER ASS HOLE WHO WANTS TO SPOUT OF IN SUCH AN OBNOXIOUS AND ILL-INFORMED MANNER. I mean, jesus christ, GET OVER IT. it seems all fun-and-games, especially when initially shooting off ideas for a massive dragon warrior game, but i'll be damned if it isn't damn near impossible to stay motivated through the *terribly long and grueling process* of actually making the game "publishable".
in short, dwo1.90 *will* (of course) be missed, but i want you to know, silk, that there *are plenty of people* that understand the hardships of trying to create such a game.
that is all.
oh, and fuck you zoltor.

My family has privately owned and operated a fireworks stand for the past 7 or 8 years… and last year they passed it off to me. So yeah—I’m running the stand again this year, and needless to say I’m pretty much there selling explosives 24/7.

Now that's what I call a summer job! When you have a chance, you should post a list of the fireworks with the stupidest names. I've seen a lot of them, though the only one that comes to mind right now is "Star Ball Contribution."

I remember another one called "Halley's Comet" -- which isn't a stupid name, but it tipped over after being lit, and fired flaming balls into the group of family and friends that had gathered to watch. Good stuff!

People keep missing the point, everey thing you listed, Is reason to "delay" the game, wich I have no problem with, but you completely canceled It. Yea, I'm sure you had more then enough reasons to "delay" DWO, I'm not doubted that.
You need to work, and yes you're allowed to have a life. I heard from someone, your code files got lost, I hope that's not the case, becoese that would mean you're the worst coder/game developer In the world (not keeping backup copies). Provideing you are brighter then that, wich I do beleive you are, the only reason to Cancel the game, Is that you got bored with the code It self. If that being the case, It's a shame people had more respect for your creation, then you.

PS. I'm not some kid on Byond, I live alone, and I need to work long hours to survive, but the fact Is, If you, I, and anybody else has time to write posts, and do other things, then logic dictakes, that we are able to find some time. One of the things I learned In my life, Is people will alway say they have less time then they do, hell we all do that, It's a good, easy excuse (Meaning: I'm sure, If you really wanted to work on DWO, you could've found an hour a day, or even alittle time to work on It, one day a month)

Note: I was never mad about delaying or stuff, you need to work, and by god, yes have a life, but you make little sense.

Evereything you siad Is grounds for delaying, not canceling, you just got tired of working on the DWO code, so you canceled, where any developer who has atleast some respect for their creation, would've just delayed.


By the way, I'm not biased to the matter, after all, I doubt you even read my post to your GM curse post(I rather enjoyed reading It), so I'm just telling It how It Is, and you really can't expect people to be too happy about It eather. I like to put the next statement down agian In all bold, becoese people are missing, what I'm saying, Silk lovers, just seem to be verey biased, so I'll put It up clearer.

Yes, you dont make money on Byond, so you need to work. Yes you're allowed to hangout with friends, and stuff(Haveing a life). Collage, yes collage takes alot of time(I went to collage, key word Is, takes alot of time= not all time. I know this, becoese I too went to collage, we use collage as an excuse to not be bothered spending time doing things that we don't want to do, but hey, I don't need to tell you that,do I). As my reason for saying, Silk lovers are biased, they read only what they want to hear, and reply that way, like I bet, when people reply to this, they'll miss the point, that I'm mad becoese It should've been delayed more, instead of canceled/thrown In the trash. Okay, lets play your way, lets say you, for some dumb reason, really felt, not haveing time, was grounds for canceling, not delaying. Whith that being a verey ilogical reason for cancelation of DWO, instead of just more delaying, then how could you have time to work on another game. Maybe, I would be more understanding, If you would not lie about It, that's why I'm verey agitated with you silk, not just becoese you canceled, what could've been a really great game, but becoese your reasons don't add up.

As you siad, people still dl DWO, but come on, answer me this, If It's still as liked as before, then why are there barely more then 3 people on a server? There used to be around 40 people on the server, around the clock.

Your argument makes no sense for a "collage" educated person such as yourself.

You've said that DWO is wasted space on BYOND. It doesn't take a "Silk lover" to tell you that when one sees a game actively being played and hosted, that it's hub entry does NOT constitute as wasted space.

So how does a broken hard drive on a computer make Silk the worse coder and game developer alive? I really don't get that...You don't even know the situation. What if Silk's PC had an A drive that didn't function, no connection to the internet, and no CD burner? How then would he save copies of his source, hmm? See...you're not considering VARIABLES you are just making blatant assumptions and accusations.

Now I'm not saying that is the case when it comes to his PC, but I will say that you have no right to judge him when you have no idea of the circumstances. You are merely trying to destroy the man's credibility, but in reality of course you're just showing yourself as a bitter asshole who likes to instigate trouble.

"Ah, players. God they suck. Work your ass off for them and they will bitch you aren't dead yet."
Why do you think I haven't actually produced a 'real' game?

And Zoltor, if you want Silk to finish, start paying him to finish, otherwise he has no obligation to finish. It is still actively played, so it is not a waste of space.

Couldn't you just let this die? Good heavens man. It's one thing to feel upset/angry/whatever but this horse needs to rest in peace.

I've been wanting to see a full version of DWO since the first day I came to Byond (which, incidentally, drew me in with the hopes of wanting to make my own DWO until I found out Silk got to it first). For years I would've loved to see a multiplayer version of the series and hung around because what he said he wanted for the game was EXACTLY the way I had envisioned it be since not long after I first got the cartridge of DW3. Ignoring the fact that I couldn't help with the game's production, it was in all ways my "net dream" as it was his.

Did it bother me that eventually it was dropped? Fuck yes. The other Byond DW fangames I've seen around, no matter how long they were worked on, and no matter how long I spent on them, didn't feel the same. They felt like different games with placeholder graphics.

If anything, Byond doesn't need people who overly badger developers who drop a game due to lack of interest/no time/any other factor. A game doesn't have to be "finished" to still be entertaining. Proelium's been around, and isn't truly finished just yet either.

Nobody likes you Zoltor. You're silly and misguided. Shush.

Sarm, no I meant, If he was to reply to my post I made before this one, seeing how tactics would read"It had to do with clearing canceled, and/or rip off games from the hub entries. Tactics turnes my words around, and posting as If I were dirrecting It dirrectly at silk." he would not see the word or, In that sentance, and then say I'm calling DWO a rip.


PS. It wasn't my intention to blaim silk for all the developers doing what he did, I was useing a descriptive turm, that's all,a few people didn't read the one sentence right, and thought the post was dirrected at Silk. The Byond admins them selvs based the warning of the day after Silk. I'm sorry If you all took my forum post wrong, but It's commonly calling, pulling a silkwizard. I wasn't pointing them to Silk.

PS. It's okay, I'm sorry people saw the word Silk, and not the full sentance. Just to be clear, this post was meant to clear stuff up, like why I posted that before Tactic says I'm calling It a rip, statement(It's nothing to do with the forum post, you misunderstood), not to argue.

Pulling a silkwizard? Puhleez. As if Silk was the first person to ever cancel a project. If anything, it should be called Pulling a Dan. :P

And screw you, Zoltor. You have no understanding of the process of game development. You would never have made such statements if you did. You can't just sit down in front of your computer and type code for a productive hour a day. Heck, some people need an hour just to get into the zone. I like a nice window of 3 to 5 hours for a decent run, myself, but even eternity isn't enough if you can't get into doing it.

Yes, programmers, like sports athletes and musicians and all artists, have a zone. It's the mindset you get into at your peak performance, a sort of super-focus that enables you to accomplish the work more fluidly, and with greater skill. If you're distracted while coding, it may take upwards of 15 minutes just to get back into it. Too many distractions can kill your eagerness to program.

Then there's the whole motivation factor. Silk doesn't seem like the sort to suffer from lack of motivation, but even the spunkiest people run out of gas. When just looking at the thing makes you wretch, it's time to put it down. Forcing youself to go on and work on a thing you're no longer motivated to work on will only result in poor craftsmanship.

That's usually refered to as being "burned out". It happens to everyone at some point in their life. When the passion to act dies, and you begin to regret it, loathe it even. You've become burnt out on the project, and it may be a cold day in hell before you get that spark back. Trying to work through this is probably not a good idea. You'll end up with a crapload of crap because the whole mess doesn't have the same feel to it anymore. Your players won't thank you for that, I assure you.

Then there's the whole argument about DWO being Silk's game, not yours, and you can cry about it being unfair until the cows turn blue and migrate south for the baseball season. If Silk wants to make a game, make it popular, make it great and loved only to pull it away just when we can't get enough for no other reason than to upset a whole bunch of kids, it's his game, he can do that. If you don't like it, as he suggested, you're welcome not to play his games. He's not doing that, though. You can still play DWO, it's just reached its end, that is all.

Oh, and it's spelled "college". Where did you go, Hick University?

~X

lol hey Zoltor its GodsServant (X-SSJ4Goku-x)i hope everything calms down and such lol oh and Silk. I've played DWO alot can't wait till everythings done.