In response to Scoobert


you know, you are now a cow. you have become the mindless drone that you desirve to be.

cant you look past face value? or do you think the people in new york are any less kind that yourself? do you feel no sarrow about the state of the nation?
In response to jobe
thats just distorbing, people like you need some valum(yes a drug but it eases people like you).Im sorry but my life is nothing like that. I have never serisly thought about killing my self because if god does exsist(im not sure ether way) i will just go to hell and that will be 100000000000 times worce than anything i have had to do on earth. And if he doesnt exsist than i might as well move to a 3rd world county where i can sit and do nothing except sell my all stuff for food and sit forever, but if i kill myself than it will end, all will end. No traits to pass on. And things like casual sex is a (most part) resalt of TV telling you its ok. Casual was rare before TV came along.
In response to jobe
I do, but to many people focus on the minority but the majority is happy. I dont know one person im my school that has tryed to kill him or her self(i did when i lived in charlotte, a big city in N.C.) but now i live in a ruale area with nice people and bullys are rare. No one hates me at all. I hate no one at all except this one guy but he has not bugged me sence 8th grade. I lived in the city and it was a total bumer. Everyone was a pot head and most people were crack heads. So the real problem is big citys.If you are down and blue move to someplace where the population is low and everyone knows everyone and you will find yourself with more friends and a nicer life. I have never done drugs or drank to speak of. And i lived in a city till about 12. Im not a cow im a human, full of life and oppinoins. You call me a cow because i am happy unlike most people you. I am happy with life. You dont realize that your the real cow. You hate people that are happy because you are not. I dont not speak of all of you, just the city going, same as everyone else life living, and stiff calored few. So dont say im a cow, everything but.
In response to Scoobert


congradulations. that was a mostly a test. and you failed. you used the words people like you a few too much and in the wrong santax. i will now stop communicating to you in any way shape or form becase you have no openness of mind and you classify the way people think. there is only one last massage i have for you. i will do not want to change you way of thinking.. but if your thinking about it i sugest pink floyd, the wall. and try to understand the story and not judge the person in it
In response to jobe
i under stand what you mean and i dont mean to brain wash you but i live in blis so i dont need people telling me i should be down. I think i should be happy. You can be down but i will be up,to me there is just to much in life to down, and when i say people like me i mean nice, happy people without thoughts of suside. I dont mean Just like me i mean like me just like blue is like auqa. Or purple is like violet. And my hair do is like my brothers not my brother's hiar looks just like my'n.
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
Casual sex was rare before TV came along.

One could just as easily blame Pop-Tarts. Casual sex was rare before them too.
In response to Scoobert

I live in iowa dude. and i have to tell you. just becase noone picks on YOU dosent mean noone gets picked on. go try to sit at the "reject" table once. i tell you now they WILL tell you to fu** off and die.

do you treat EVERYONE with respect?
do you hang out with "people like me"

i tell you now that EVERYONE around where i live now likes me. i have broken down the "civilized" and hung out with the "rejects" now in my small little town everyone is oen to each other. everyone wants to UNDERSTAND everyone, they dont tell them they need valum. everyone tokes up with everyone else and noone drinks beer or dose harmfull drugs. everyone has learned to love and be loved. noone is afraid of what others might think anymore. the jocks hang out with everyone, they lagh WITH the guy and not at them. noone cares.
In response to Skysaw
well i have yet to see a pop tart have casual sex with another pop tart but i have seen people have casual sex on TV but i get your point and im not blaming TV for all owr problems im blaming desencesizing kids.
In response to jobe
look i run the "reject table"(in a way) and always have, I have friends that smoke pot but those friends are the ones i hang out with the least. The only thing that makes a jock diffrent from a geek or "reject" is looks and jocks play sports. And ocasonialy they can be rude but not that often. And if you dont care why you making such a big deal about it?Im telling you that not everyone is as unhappy as you are and dont tell me im naro minded for telling you theres moer to life than being unhappy. All im saying is that you can be happy if you want to be, but if you choose not to its your chouse.
In response to Scoobert

but you think i should be like you! you want me to conform! you want me to become a cow.

did you ever think i mighgt be WANT to be me? if i changed i would no longer be myself. i would be who you and the rest of the world wanted me to be.

oh and dont get hung up on that suisude thing. i tried to commit suiside while on drugs the shrink gave me. i realized it took everything from me i realized that i noone will wants me to be WHO I AM!

you know what.... you bring out the last ounce of anger i have left.. but i know if i let it get the best of me ill just produce twice that much.

"found a old puzzle that somebody had quit.
tried a few pieces and hoped that theyd fit.
but there goingin to together so slowly
it might take me forever to know... if its only a puzzle."
In response to Scoobert

thats the pest post from you ive seen.

but you have to understand, people LEARN from there deamons. if they use some drug to overcome them.. what have you learned? that your thoughts are just chemical reactions and "life" dose not exist. that everything is trivial in the end.. and while you nolonger want to die.. you dont know why.
In response to jobe
i dont want you to be like me, but i would like every one to be a little happyer, to many people are sad and down like you seem to be. I knew this one guy that tryed to kill himself by overdosing on antidepresants that had an affect of susicdle thoughts, so i know the whole ,zantac is it, thing. Have you ever herd the saying "Savor the moment"? Thats a good way to live, but if you want to live angry at the world thats your choice. Im not going to stop you. Ill leave the rest for you to think about because this is getting repetize so this is my last post on this topic. Just dont worry about the way i want you to live if thats what you want to do. Bye
In response to jobe
i have had my deamons but they came from my parents, my mom had the worst taist in men and here X-boyfriend was a druggy, drunken, crack head that knew how to pawn and piss my mom of so much. From that i leaned that pot and crack and what not will just hert people.But on the origanal topic, the Media doesnt reflect that, they show you the drugs and the people doing them but they dont show you there kids and there wifes and sometimes there house. I learned all this at a very young age and now know to stay away from it, my mom got smart and dumbed him and is now maried to my step dad(a red neck) and we live in a an ok life stlye. I had my deamons and so did everyone im my house and we learnd from them. I know everyone doesnt have the same take on life, maybie i just had the right deamons to be afread of as a kid. If you had it worce than my as a kid i feal sorry for you, but if you had it better and are still a crack head or what not than theres no sorrow for you.
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
well, im an from USA and that kinda afends me.But i was speaking of a child from the US, but i mean any child from any country with any leader. But Americans are mostly nice, its people like New yorkers that give the rest of us a bad name.

Well that "kind of offends me" I am a New Yorker. And you are blowing things out of proportion here. I can say the same thing about where you live. But that is just morally wrong. you can not just single out one country, state, race, color, etc. No one that I know ever thought of committing suicide or anything like that. And as for Crime & Gangs I can say crime can happen anywhere. LA is worse then NY. Yes we have gangs but they don't kill each other back & forth as you put it either, some aren’t bad at all. NY just got movies and TV shows that predicts it that way. I bet you can find a gung anywhere. I travel around the US and other countries a lot so I do know how other states and countries are. And I am very happy the way "I live" and "where I live".
In response to Xzar
imnot saying there is realy anything wrong with that, its just NY is well know for vilonce or at least rudeness, im not saying everyone is that way.
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
your blowing this way out of propotion, i dont want people to not know that this stuff exsists but i think that kids dont have to become men untell there old enough to be men(around 15-18 to me) but these kids seeing sex and vilance on TV see it as fun so at the age of 8 they have robed a bank and are nolonger vigens, but if you tell them that this stuff happens but that its bad and it couses people pain and suffering. Not tell them its kool or just like most TV shows do. Now its ok to give your kids the talk, or in some peoples case the sex ed stuff.But its not ok to tell a kid sex is ok if you give em a condom.

Here's the way I see it. To me its not a matter of exactly when you learn about sex, violence, death, aids, wars, whatever. Its how its been taught. Violence/death/previous things aren't 'casual'(Bar sex, which becomes increasingly casual ever since Playboy came to the television), and shouldn't be thought of as casual. You cannot keep someone ignorant forever, and eventually they will strive to learn at higher and higher stakes. I feel it is better to clue them in, and let them sort out what they think of it themselves(By clue in I mean properly explaining it, once they have the capacity to fully(or partially) understand what your saying))

I live in Denmark, which is a rather horrible country if you look at it. Preteens/teens are getting raped every week/month, a large amount of teenagers die from OD'ing on ecstacy every year. There is a place called 'Kristania' where you can get cheap drugs for very low prices. It's also a very open country, though. I was never actually taught about sex, violence or wars(My father was and still is a very closed person) so I had to piece things together myself. Im an exception, although the concept is still the same. Many kids 'mature' at a much earlier age in Denmark, than in countries such as America where children are isolated from the world until a much higher age(In my experience and knowledge, that is.).

I don't really have time to write anymore right now, so I will edit this later.

Alathon
In response to Alathon
ok point but i would like a kid to be a kid untill he is a man. But i see what you are saying 100%.
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
imnot saying there is realy anything wrong with that, its just NY is well know for vilonce or at least rudeness, im not saying everyone is that way.

Where did you read this? People in NY are great people, I live here, I would know, when the Attacks on Sept. 11th happen we didn't point and laugh and say good for you I hated you anyway, we stuck together and helped each other, we helped people we didn't even know! We're people with free will here in the US, most of us see whats going on and accept the world as it really is, we don't live in imaginary worlds wanting everyone to be like us and saying its right, because its not, you have no free will then. You need to look around you and accept what you have and make the best of things. Once you've done that then you will have a happy life, as will the people around you. You can't pretend your perfect and no one else isn't, you have your flaws as everyone does. If I wanted to steriotype I could just say people in Texas are mean to everyone and care nothing except for themselfs, but I won't cause its not true. I know people all across the US and even other countries, you can't look at just where you live or just one place. Everything is everywhere, good and bad.

-Darkness
In response to jobe
Zilal works on it in secret, I think. I've seen it hosted once (in private?), and that's the only reason I know anything about it.
In response to Scoobert
When is it that a boy becomes a man? In some countries children are started on manly work while they are still 4 or 5, and know about these things a lot earlier, but they do not have as much killing, raping, ect. as we do here in the americas where we keep them ignorent untill they are older, much too old in my oppinion.

I have noticed that there have been many intense debates in the forums lately. I might make a "forum room" where we can get deep into these discussions. I think that would be a lot easier than debating in the forums themselves.
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