The voice of copyright infringement (and just plain fanaticism) is rearing its ugly head again. That ugly head being mine.

I'd be more than happy to voice support for a similar but different game, but if you don't bother making a game that's creatively different and you create a Stargate game after all, and I don't like it, I'll never forgive you. Heck, I'd have a tough time forgiving you if you made a Stargate game period. =P

The Deceiver.

fan games aren't copyright infringement if you don't make money off of them.

Kunark wrote:

Make "Dragonball Zeta 4: The Best Zeta" and torcher DBZers that just got their "pl" to 1 million :P

Yesterday it was "haid", and today it's "torcher". *tisk tisk*

First of all, lets cover what I would NOT like to see on the hub: Anything that's basically "[some other game] Online", anything based on any other game, anything based on a cartoon series (DBZ or whatever else) or a movie (Matrix, 2F2F, etc...), low-quality RPGs, games based on other BYOND games (Monster World, Monster World Online, Monster World: The Arena, Super Monster World, and on and on and on...). I think that pretty much covers it. I mean seriously, making a game that is not based on something else is really not that hard.

Now, what I do want to see:

Strategy games. Games like Incursion and LaserWars, where you play with a few other people to build up your empire, conquer other people, manage your empire and try become more prosperous than everyone else, or just plain try to outsmart other people in some bizzare setting.

"Gauntlet" style games. The Gauntlet could have been fun, but it didn't have enough variety and relied too much on quick movement, which on BYOND, is bad. BYOND is really better at making turn-based games (either realtime turns, every few seconds or whatever, or the single-player when-you-do-something-next-turn-comes kind). I haven't been able to think of much to put in a Gauntlet style game, but I'd love to have a heap of ideas to work with, a version of BYOND that forces single player, and an option to create custom mazes with a map editor.

Decent RPGs with something to explore. The only two RPGs on BYOND that I've ever really liked were Morte and Eternal World. Neither of them were especially great, but they were "better than average" at least, and had one specific thing that most RPGs on BYOND seem to lack: Something to explore. I can't stand RPGs were the goal is to wander around killing as much as possible to become more powerful so you can kill more powerful stuff. That's not an RPG, that's garbage. I like worlds where you can roam around and explore, where special goodies were owned by those who found them, often exploring dangerous regions (the goal is to stay alive, not to kill stuff) in search of valuable treasure. Morte had that, and Eternal World had that. I haven't played any other RPGs that had that.

Anything that comes with customization options. I don't mean the option to choose your characters stats in an RPG or to give them equipment, I mean the option to create custom maps, monsters, items, dungeons, cars, racetracks, classes, ships, or whatever else your game utilizes. If you build a game spaceships (Star Traders), allow people to build custom ship classes. If you build a game that involves racing (Racing Game), allow people to customize the cars and tracks. If you build a game that uses dungeon maps (Delve!, The Gauntlet, Rockrunner), then let people create their own dungeons! (Thinking of MLAAS, I imagine it would be a lot of fun if Skysaw made it possible for people to host their own servers, while at the same time allowing them to customize the equipment available in the game, as well as the maps. Tons of possibilities there, too bad it won't happen.)

So that's what I want. Of course, I have nothing against games where you just go around building stuff for fun. Monster World and some little game that I can't remember the name of by Deadlocke were quite fun, even though they had no point. (Kind of like SimCity.)

Theodis created the ultimate game to mess with peoples minds... But you'd have to talk to him about his nameless creation. :)

There should be an option to link to this post everytime someone mentions making a fan game :P

Just force Leftley to re-make Delve.

Oh I remember some of it. There was some sort of witness, or a secret tape that was being carried around town or something. You had a spy, BUT, the trick was you could move your own spy, as well as others. The key to the game was to move your spy closest to the witness/information or obatin it some how. Or there was a few pieces of information that you needed to gather or something. Anyways, the key was NOT to give away your spy (distingushed by color), or else people would just move it back.

My all-time two favorite genres are tactical action games and turn-based fantasy strategy wargaming, with a close third being business/empire sim type games. I guess I could call (MMO)RPGs fourth, but given how much effort they take and how wide a genre that is (there are plenty of RPG styles which I just can't stand at all), I wouldn't really recommend them without a very solid development team.