Misuterii High

MetaFrosty wrote:

(The post above.)

Where is my +Rep button, BYOND...

IBUKI STILL RECOMMENDS AN APPLICATION TOPIC ON FORUMS. OTHERWISE IT'S HARD TO CHOOSE MINIHOSTS, HENCE THE LACK OF THEM RECENTLY.

MetaFrosty wrote:

Listen. When I started the project one of the key decisions was to avoid internal drama by simply not having any staff. Without GMs, there could be no accusations of power abuse and no actual abuse, plus I wouldn't need to be responsible for the actions of other people and have to deal with the drama that comes with removing staff that aren't suitable.
Secondly, my decision was that hosts would have full authority over their own servers. They are the ones hosting it, therefore they get to decide who plays on it, who moderates on it and what the rules are. They can have things be as absurd or unfair as they like. If the way they run their server bothers you then please create a new server or move to a different one.
One thing I want to make note of while we're on the subject though, is that I never said anything about giving hosts absolute power over the game, such as being able to set the player cap much higher or having access to debugging tools such as summoning players or spawning items, which is a misconception that has sprung up a few times.

But anyway, an internal staff would not function well and it's up to the host how they want to moderate.
All I can suggest is for minihosts to go back to how they were originally and not have a ban button, in order to leave that responsibility to the host themself, instead just booting and muting an offending player until the host can make their judgement.
The one issue with that, that I see, is that if the host is away then nothing can be done until they get back. Then again, if the host isn't going to be active, they should probably let someone else host instead. That would solve the issues of server monopolies and let a wider variety of people get a chance to host.
Not implementing anything yet, but it's something to consider that might work as a compromise.

Thank you for finally being the one to give a well constructed and...well...just plain not rude reply. I can understand the mentality of mini hosts over regular hosts. The only problem with it is that if the host/mini hosts are bad, but it's a popular server, there isn't much point of making a new server because nobody wants to leave the server that's full of life. I've heard this is a problem from someone else: Someone has a server up but they and their minihosts are mean and unforgiving (being a victim, myself), but if they try to host a new server they won't really get anybody joining it because the other server is already up and has a lot of people in it.

Even though the player cap is so small, it hardly makes a difference because most people enjoy talking in watcher just as much as they do playing the game. People just flock to the most popular server with like 20 people in it, not the one below trying to get started who has six people (yes, the differences in server sizes are usually that big).

My last thought on the matter is that just because you don't have GMs doesn't mean there can be no power abuse. I'd argue that it creates bigger potential for power abuse, the only difference being when it's minihosts compared to GMs more often than not nothing will be done about it, based on my experience last night with the all CAPS banning onslaught, calling people idiots for making mistakes, banning for not liking their opinion, they think they're stupid, etc.

Alas, like I said, even if I did start a new server nobody would join it, because the other server is the one with the players and nobody wants to join the server with less players because "Well the other server has more people to talk to."

Again though, thank you for the well constructed and thoughtful reply.

Hey, Big problem on my end. It used to work fine but now whenever i try to go on a server it says "Connection Died" Upon entry. It also says I dont have the game installed..So I go to install it and it says "Installtion of Misuterii High Failed." What do I do? Please help!

Bervose wrote:

To be entirely fair here, if said hosts/minihosts were as bad as some people are claiming there would be enough upset/banned players to make full or at least busy servers.

I must also respectfully disagree with the idea that the minihost position is more open to abuse than the GM one. Firstly, minihosts have less power than GMs (who would actually have power over hosts too when it comes to banning). Secondly, it's just as likely/unlikely that a bad minihost would be dealt with as it is that a GM would. Why is this? It's because you're relying on the person in charge of them to disagree with their actions and feel strongly enough to deal with them. If for example Tana doesn't rectify their minihosts 'mistakes' then odds are that it's due to Tana agreeing rather than being corrupt.

Also another thing worthy of note is that minihosts just can't win. Either they are too lenient and people complain or they are too harsh and other people complain.

While I'll agree that people will probably complain no matter what, I'll say that there's a fine line between being strict and just being mean/a jerk. Refer to my last post. All the things I've listed are actual things I've seen happen just in the span of one day. And others have mentioned too that it's nearly impossible to try and start up a new server. There are a lot of people getting banned, but the amount of people who were banned still was not enough to compete with a server with 18+ players. On top of that, most of the people who were banned seemed relatively new to the game, which probably discourages them from trying to join another server anyway.

I don't think admins compared to minihosts is something we're actually going to agree upon. But in Pyrce the GMs pretty much did work under the hosts. I'm not trying to say give GMs more power than hosts and hosts have to listen. I'm just saying that GMs hired by Frosty would much less likely have bias towards the host and unfairness, compared to people hired by the host (who honestly, from what I've seen from the server I was on yesterday, which is also the server up right now with the most players because yay 24/7 hosting, were terrible choices).

I feel like wiping our hands clean of this debate would probably be best, unless other people feel like continuing it. Maybe I'll try hosting my own server, and maybe some day I can get more than seven people to join it (no insults intended).

Well I just wrote a post and my internet cut out so now I'm going to shorten it. A lot.

ScalemateTerezi wrote:

Hey, Big problem on my end. It used to work fine but now whenever i try to go on a server it says "Connection Died" Upon entry. It also says I dont have the game installed..So I go to install it and it says "Installtion of Misuterii High Failed." What do I do? Please help!

Installation is not necessary. Please check if you are banned or the servers are down.
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Your server isn't going to be popular in an instant. Like all competitive things, you must work for it. Invite friends and banned people through pagers. They make make it their "go-to" spot, inviting their friends over. Small environments work well anyway.

I'm pretty sure bans carry over IP addresses, which means if your brother got banned on the same computer that you use, you'll be banned as well.

Yeah, if they still wish to ban your brother, they'd have to do it by key, not computer ID or IP address.

I have another suggestion. If we want people to go to the forums to discuss/complain about the game there ahould be a link somewhere. Unless there is and I'mblind *posting from phone*

Ah okay. Like I said I was browsing from my phone. It's pretty hard to spot things like that.