Mp3 format

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Nov 22 2003, 4:46 pm
I have noticed that DM isn't compatible with Mp3s. I would like to know if there are any specific reasons why, and if there's not, I would like to suggest that the next version of DM be compatible with Mp3 file format.
Nov 22 2003, 4:47 pm
It's either a "They only did WAV and MID in the first place and haven't had time for anything else yet" issue, or a "MP3s use a patented compression scheme" issue.
Nov 22 2003, 4:49 pm
Legal issues, mainly.

There may be better sound support in the future... OGG files (like MP3, but royalty-free) and module files (like MIDI, but more flexible).
Nov 22 2003, 6:15 pm
In response to Crispy
If OGG or MP3 support are ever added (or re-added as in the case of MP3), then I shall NEVER turn sound on ever again. Why? Because I promise you that 90% of the "games" out there will have some kind or rap/R&B music playing in the background (probably all illegally)...and I highly despise that type of music.
Nov 22 2003, 6:21 pm
In response to CableMonkey
Yeah, but odds are that you could guess which games those would be just by looking at the hub entry. I often have sound off anyway, but I (and my 56k modem) fear the size of these downloads if mp3 (or a similiar format) compatibility is added.
Nov 22 2003, 6:27 pm
In response to OneFishDown
Well...you are doing better than me. *stares at 28.8k connection*
Nov 22 2003, 6:56 pm
In response to OneFishDown
Any game worth playing should give you an option of downloading the music or not.
Nov 22 2003, 7:26 pm
Finding a way to decode MP3s for free seems to be the sticking point. The algorithm to do so is patented.

There was some talk about finally putting in MOD support, though, which would be a huge step up. MOD is really what BYOND needs more for music, although MP3 would be a boon for sound effects.

Lummox JR
Nov 24 2003, 8:28 pm
In response to CableMonkey
Heh, I was stuck on a 14k, twice. Once before the internet got big, and last year my 56k modem caught fire, so I was stuck on that for a while.


So there =P
Nov 26 2003, 4:25 pm
In response to CableMonkey
CableMonkey wrote:
If OGG or MP3 support are ever added (or re-added as in the case of MP3), then I shall NEVER turn sound on ever again. Why? Because I promise you that 90% of the "games" out there will have some kind or rap/R&B music playing in the background (probably all illegally)...and I highly despise that type of music.

I AGREE! I dont like rap music or eny MP3 music ether!
Nov 27 2003, 1:07 am
Download a MP3 converter, and convert the MP3 to .wav and tada, You can now play mp3s. Just..there..not..mp3s.

Siientx
Nov 27 2003, 3:24 am
In response to CableMonkey
CableMonkey wrote:
Well...you are doing better than me. *stares at 28.8k connection*

Hm. Why aren't you named ModemMonkey? Ayuck, ayuck.

</lame>

Anyway, I partially agree with you on the subject, but then again, I also agree with OFD, so it all evens out. :P

~>Volte
Nov 27 2003, 4:09 am
In response to Volte
There is a way to have a MP3 Format BYOND, I guess. Uhmm, it's actually MORE compressed than MP3 format. It's a WAV format using a different audio codec. I use it but it causes problems like canceling other sounds even though I have tried to change it. Any way the codec is called MPEG Layer-3. I've been using it for Dragonball Online, and I know always to compress my music/sounds.
Nov 27 2003, 1:09 pm
In response to Siientx
Problem is, converting to .wav isn't a worthwhile approach for music; a minute of music in a standard 128K-bitrate MP3 is about a megabyte, which is a lot for a file in a BYOND game. The equivalent in a .wav format is about 10 MB. It's actually a lower size than an MP3 if it's downsampled to 11,025 Hz 8-bit mono format (MP3 converts normally to 44.1 KHz 16-bit stero, 16x as large), but you'll probably find 11,025 is too low a sample rate; 22,050 is probably best.

Anyway, the .wav files spit out by such a conversion would be enormous. Making them a game resource is a bad idea.

Lummox JR
Nov 27 2003, 1:11 pm
In response to Vakir
Vakir wrote:
There is a way to have a MP3 Format BYOND, I guess. Uhmm, it's actually MORE compressed than MP3 format. It's a WAV format using a different audio codec. I use it but it causes problems like canceling other sounds even though I have tried to change it. Any way the codec is called MPEG Layer-3. I've been using it for Dragonball Online, and I know always to compress my music/sounds.

MPEG layer 3 is MP3.

Lummox JR
Nov 27 2003, 2:37 pm
In response to Lummox JR
To use music, I recomend MIDI files insted uv MP3. MIDI files is shorter file-length and is also beter music
Nov 27 2003, 2:38 pm
In response to Zzo38computer
Not necissarily. Depending on the sound card(and the price of said sound card), MIDI files can be beautiful, or they can be absolute garbage. It differs from file to file, too. They work allright, though.
Nov 27 2003, 5:15 pm
In response to Zzo38computer
Zzo38computer wrote:
To use music, I recomend MIDI files insted uv MP3. MIDI files is shorter file-length and is also beter music

Better music? How do you figure? A well-crafted MIDI can sound nice, but they sound different on different systems, and they don't support vocals or custom instruments. Better is the hybrid format MOD and its brethren.

Lummox JR
Nov 29 2003, 6:35 am
In response to Lummox JR
I converted various MP3 files into .wav to play in my games, however every time I tried to use them, the game would crash with lag and so would my computer.
Nov 29 2003, 11:29 am
Convert the MP3 to a WAV file with a program (that'll be big) then re-compress it with the LAME encoder with the .wav extension.

- Windows Sound Recorder can also compress .wav's into WAVs in MP3 format.

~Kujila