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Sep 25 2004, 2:00 am In response to Crispy
Game sabre	Python is very good for making small programs with but when converted to .exe they are big assed files which is its only problem.

Sep 25 2004, 3:11 am In response to Mike H
Airjoe	I think that he thinks the viewer of the DMCGI site has to have BYOND installed.

Sep 25 2004, 3:28 am

In response to Mike H

Critical

Mike H wrote:

Kholint wrote:

Mike H wrote:

Kholint wrote:

Oh right, so the BYOND CGI (which is "awesome") effectively is only useful to about 0.0001% of the entire web?

Hmm. According to this report, Apache runs on about 67% of all web servers on the internet. We support Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and (soon) OpenBSD, which account for a majority of all Apache installations. Not sure how that translates to an effective 0.0001%. Care to explain?

Well, you actually NEED Byond installed for it to work.
If you asked around the internet, (not here), how many people would say they have Byond installed?

Probably not many. But if your account has CGI access, then most likely you can install it yourself. Problem solved. :)

Really, hmmm, intresting, i must investigate my cpanel once it comes back up.

Sep 25 2004, 5:13 am In response to Airjoe
Kholint	Airjoe wrote: I think that he thinks the viewer of the DMCGI site has to have BYOND installed. Oh right. Heh, sorry- I misunderstood before then. I'm such a fool. So what would be the advantage of making a DMICGI site instead of in Php, or Java? (obviously there's the fact that you already know DM)

Sep 25 2004, 10:10 am In response to Game sabre
Spuzzum	Heh. "He who createth executables with Python doth miss the point of a scripting language." ;-)

Sep 25 2004, 10:20 am

In response to Kholint

Spuzzum

So what would be the advantage of making a DMICGI site instead of in Php, or Java?
(obviously there's the fact that you already know DM)

DMB is a bytecode format, whereas PHP is a raw text format that is parsed in real time. So it's definitely faster than PHP -- though there is likely a tiny bit of overhead to start up Dream Daemon.

Anyway, a DMB doesn't have any advantages over a Java binary that I could think of, since Java is compiled to bytecode too. Java might actually have an advantage here, since I'm not sure if BYOND keeps Dream Daemon open or not in order to handle HTTP requests (whereas Java boots up its virtual machine once, and then keeps it open thereafter).

But I think the most redeeming quality is that DM is very easy. Whatever string you return from the CGI/Topic() procedure is the text that is displayed in the client's browser. The system handles all of the gruntwork. It's just a matter of string concatenation, and DM has some of the simplest (though admittedly not very powerful) text manipulation out there. It doesn't compare with the sheer power of Perl, for instance, but trounces it as far as simplicity is concerned -- and BYOND has fully-featured mathematical operations, and a good (though limited) file managing system to boot.

Sep 25 2004, 1:04 pm In response to Spuzzum
Jon88	One advantage BYOND has over Java is that BYOND can handle all authentication issues for you practically seamlessly.

Sep 25 2004, 3:41 pm In response to Spuzzum
Crispy	Unless you're trying to distribute a Python program and everyone is too darned lazy to install Python; they'd rather just download an .exe and be done with it... Of course, I was using two libraries which they'd have to install as well, but it really isn't that hard.

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