There was a post recently made about what the "Rip or not Rip" feature does. I however have a concern. As someone brought up to me just recently and it was a very good point. This rip or not rip system, is rather flawed.
IF a player decided they wanted to get even or get back at a game, they could just make a bunch of keys, or have their friends mark the game as a rip, whether the game is a rip or not. This rip or not system, doesn't show who marked the game as a rip, or how many marked it as a rip or not a rip, nor does it explain why the players thought it was a rip (Because sometimes players just jump to conclusions without knowing what they are talking about), therefore it gives the owners of the game, no chance to explain whether the game is a rip or not. Now granted, this does work well for the probably 90% of games that are rips. But the other 10% that get marked because of the immature players who cant leave well enough alone, get punished for the stupidity of others. (and yeah it just moved them further back in the hub, however; that makes it more difficult for possible players to find the game which hurts the player base, thus hurting the game. Even if it was not a rip)
There should be a way to see who marked the game as a rip, or some kind of explanation that has to be given as to why they think they game is a rip (Or possibly some kind of way to stop the same IP from marking a game as a rip twice, even thought hat can be gotten around, it is a start). This way the game owners can address their players openly and explain misunderstandings or what have you. There should be some kind of check and balance to this, other wise, it only helps those who have a lot of keys or friends who have a lot of keys.
(Edit: Haha, there was no real question in here, I guess I fooled you. :P but still... )
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 Aug 30 2010, 7:54 pm
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Also, it'd be way more secure if they didn't do it off of IP but computer_id.
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Moussiffer wrote:
This rip or not system, doesn't show who marked the game as a rip, or how many marked it as a rip or not a rip,This should probably be the case. The report a rip system needs a pretty major overhaul in most aspects. nor does it explain why the players thought it was a rip (Because sometimes players just jump to conclusions without knowing what they are talking about),You have to report the rip as a rip of another game, that should be explanation enough. therefore it gives the owners of the game, no chance to explain whether the game is a rip or not.Because rip owners ALWAYS acknowledge when their game is a rip, and don't try to come up with over 9,000 excuses for how it isn't. But the other 10% that get marked because of the immature players who cant leave well enough alone, get punished for the stupidity of others.I would assume all the people voting it as not a rip would counteract that - probably how all the finale based zeta rips stay listed. That 10% of non-rips are known as non rips, and are usually listed in guilds, which one way or another completely removes the report a rip function from them. (Or possibly some kind of way to stop the same IP from marking a game as a rip twice, even thought hat can be gotten around, it is a start).I would hope multiple systems like this are already in place. (Edit: Haha, there was no real question in here, I guess I fooled you. :P but still... )ITS A TRAP! | |
Just so this is clear to the Dream Maker Admins, the replies I am making to Falacy's reply will be marked with "My Reply:" followed by my reply in bold underlined words. Because apparently my last post wasn't clear.
Falacy wrote: Moussiffer wrote: My Reply:From what I have been told by other players on BYOND, if they cannot find the game that the think was the original on the list of games, they just choose any game on the list. They do so, just so that the game can be marked as a rip. even if the game they think it is a rip of isn't on the list. That being said, the owner of the game cant see what games people think it is a rip off, and there is no way to check if it really was a rip of that game, so in reality the list of games does nothing. therefore it gives the owners of the game, no chance to explain whether the game is a rip or not.Because rip owners ALWAYS acknowledge when their game is a rip, and don't try to come up with over 9,000 excuses for how it isn't. My Reply:Whether rippers tell that the game is a rip or not. Owners of the game should have the opportunity to defend their games to their players. At least to the point where they can explain whether what people think is a rip (And why it is a rip) is actually a rip. Whether is is or not. As the owner of the game, we should have the right to know why people are choosing to mark our game as such. But the other 10% that get marked because of the immature players who cant leave well enough alone, get punished for the stupidity of others.I would assume all the people voting it as not a rip would counteract that - probably how all the finale based zeta rips stay listed. That 10% of non-rips are known as non rips, and are usually listed in guilds, which one way or another completely removes the report a rip function from them. My Reply: I feel this is wrong. There are a lot of members who don't bother with the rip or not rip feature. As there are a lot of players who don't use the BYOND site, to connect to there favorite games (Since the pager is so useful). This also has a negative effect on new games, with small player bases. Which goes back to my comment about players making multiple keys or asking there friends to mark a game as a rip or both. If the game gets enough votes it will become hidden from view preventing new prospective players from being able to see the hub or find the hub easily, hurting the game.And that being said, the same can be used in reverse. If a player makes many keys and gets his friends to make many keys, they can vote a rip as being a not rip game, voting all other games that are rival to that one as rips, making them hidden on the hub. (Or possibly some kind of way to stop the same IP from marking a game as a rip twice, even thought hat can be gotten around, it is a start).I would hope multiple systems like this are already in place. My Reply: From my own personal experience I have made multiple keys and from the same computer, with the same IP address, have been able to vote on the same game multiple times using different keys. That being said. I know players who have 5-10 keys or more (And use them for things such as this, or spamming servers, or avoiding bans from games ETC. I'm not saying that all players do this. But if you dislike another game or another person enough to try and ruin there game, or at least attempt to hurt it in some ways, this would be an easy way to do so. (Edit: Haha, there was no real question in here, I guess I fooled you. :P but still... )ITS A TRAP! | |
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