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 Dec 10 2011, 1:55 pm
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Newt Gingrich is someone I sincerely hope will never wind up in the White House. I won't go in to detail here, but he's said plenty of dumb things that make me dislike the man with a certain degree of intensity. That being said, his comments on Palestine, while supposedly "racist," actually seemed to be pretty much spot on. I don't see why anyone saw fit to make some Palestinian leader's unjustified use of the word racist headline news. Heck, I think we all need to learn to throw around that word a lot less.
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Techgamer wrote:
It's ironic that "Party of family values" frontrunners (both now and in 2008) publically left their wives for their mistresses while their wives were in the hospital. Because corporate media is biased and most voters don't actually do their research. Thus the conservatives who watch Fox news shoot down everything bad said about their candidates as liberal/hippie/commie lies and it's a similar story for liberals. We're talking about people who claim Obama isn't a citizen because his dad was Kenyan (and they claim he was born in Kenya) even though his mother is an American citizen herself. You can't logic with political extremists any more than you can argue with religious extremists. | |
New Gingrich is just pond scum. He's a disgusting human being.
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Anyone who has the ability to become the President shouldn't be allowed to be the President.
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BrickSquadron wrote:
We're talking about people who claim Obama isn't a citizen because his dad was Kenyan (and they claim he was born in Kenya) even though his mother is an American citizen herself. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FALSIFIED OBAMA'S BIRTH RECORDS AND YOU KNOW IT! But anyway, Fox needs to give it a rest. They're so stupid it's actually amusing. They were complaining about someone from the Obama administration not naming Navy ships properly... I mean, really? Obama can't even take a shit without some right-wing nutjob saying it's the crime of the century. They need to face facts - he's getting another 4 years. DEAL WITH IT. | |
SuperAntx wrote:
Anyone who has the ability to become the President shouldn't be allowed to be the President. | |
Since nobody else has brought it up. How is Newt's comments on Palestine anything but incorrect? Palestinians have just as much right to be Palestinian than you do to be whatever you are. Shit, there are Palestinians who remember when there wasn't a state of Israel.
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Techgamer wrote:
Since nobody else has brought it up. How is Newt's comments on Palestine anything but incorrect? Palestinians have just as much right to be Palestinian than you do to be whatever you are. Shit, there are Palestinians who remember when there wasn't a state of Israel. Because as far as I can tell, he never said that there weren't people who lived in the area before Israel came to being. He's saying that there was no country of Palestine in the years leading to Isreal's creation, but rather it was an Ottoman province and then, briefly, a British mandate. He says "Palestinians" are an invented people, not because the people who live there don't exist, but because they aren't a separate ethnicity or anything of the sort. They're Arabs just like those who live in Iraq or Jordan. | |
"He's saying that there was no country of Palestine in the years leading to Isreal's creation, but rather it was an Ottoman province and then, briefly, a British mandate."
Palestine was a country long before America was. Just because they were conquered and it changed hands a couple times, doesn't make it's people's ethnicity any less meaningful. Also, newt is saying that because he feels that Israel is in the right suppressing the Palestinian people. Horrid man. | |
also:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1112/S00063/ drones-above-gaza-as-israel-breaks-truce-death-toll-at-5.htm Israel was bombing people today, breaking their truce with Hamas for the Nth time. But we should support them because something something Ottoman empire. (PS: Israel was even less of a country than Palestine was at it's inception) | |
As far as I can tell, the only point in the past 2,000 years where Palestine was its own independent country was during the Crusades, where it was run as a Christian kingdom for a hundred or so years. Palestine has existed for a long time as a region in various empires, but with the exception I noted above, I'm pretty sure it was never an independent entity, and it was certainly never an independent country under the control of who we think of as the Palestinians.
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I think you're splitting hairs. the land has been called Palestine for thousands of years, and even existed as a semi-independent protectorate under the British until WW2. If you don't think they have a reasonable right to be self-determination or the right to consider their people palestinian, than really America/Canada had less of a right.
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FYI, there is no reason someone can not be their own ethnicity without ever having had their own country. Look at the Roma or Basque peoples.
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Techgamer wrote:
I think you're splitting hairs. the land has been called Palestine for thousands of years, and even existed as a semi-independent protectorate under the British until WW2. If you don't think they have a reasonable right to be self-determination or the right to consider their people palestinian, than really America/Canada had less of a right. So the people who live there have a right to live there because the name they use has been used for 2000 years? I'm not exactly following your logic here. Also, FYI, the British mandate also included Jordan, and until after 1967, West Bank Palestinians held Jordanian citizenship. | |
They have a right to live there because their families have lived there for generations. You're being dense.
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But that argument completely ignores the reality of the actual situation in favor of something that can be looked at from a historical context as squatter's rights. Nobody was against the Palestinian families staying there until the 1947 and 1967 wars made it clear to the Jewish population that a Muslim power in control of the West Bank is an unacceptable threat to their own safety and well being.
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uh, Israel kills a shitload more palestinians than vice versa. Bottle rockets vs White phosphorous and cluster bombs and all that. It's more accurate to say that Israel is a threat to Palestinian's safety and well being.
(Also Israel has nukes and unconditional American support, why the hell would considerations for a conventional war even be an issue) | |
Techgamer wrote:
uh, Israel kills a shitload more palestinians than vice versa. Bottle rockets vs White phosphorous and cluster bombs and all that. It's more accurate to say that Israel is a threat to Palestinian's safety and well being. That's not so much a matter of intent as it is a manner of effectiveness (as your own post alludes to.) If each of the hundreds of rocket attacks per year on to Israeli territory was as effective as the Israeli response tends to be, we'd likely have seen civilians casualties in the high tens of thousands per year at the least. (Also Israel has nukes and unconditional American support, why the hell would considerations for a conventional war even be an issue) Beside the fact that most wars these days tend not to be conventional, you need to also realize that having Nuclear weapons and U.S. support are not enough to prevent aggression from the neighboring Arab countries, as seen in the Yom Kippur war, which occured in 1973, while Israel can be safetly assumed to have aquired nuclear weapons before this point. Because of this, having a defensible border is still an extremely important priority for a country whose largest city and economic heart lies within walking distance of the West Bank. | |
Between that, and him cheating on his wife while he was trying to get Clinton impeached for the same thing, I cannot comprehend why anyone would vote for him.
Edit: Just warning you, this post is probably going to be hidden. I put a post up about the UC-Davis pepperspray video, and it got taken down for "Flamebait"