Oct 3 2011, 2:26 pm
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Zetaiva
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EmpirezTeam wrote:
And out of those 4,000, how many actually went on to become developers and helpful members of the community? Well, I did. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
And out of those 4,000, how many actually went on to become developers and helpful members of the community? How a player can be helpful to the community is by simply being here and playing games. While player to developer transformations can help more, players on BYOND aren't obligated to be developers to "give back to the community". BYOND is more play than create and this is true for all related sites like Kongregate and Newgrounds. | |
Tiberath wrote:
EmpirezTeam wrote: That's why I said not very many. Probably one out of every 100 of those people went on to actually contribute to the site. | |
Sandlight wrote:
EmpirezTeam wrote: I'm not saying people need to be developers. What I'm saying is that every time anyone has ever said something like "Anime is the only reason BYOND exists" or "Anime brought in the majority of the userbase" as if we actually needed those people or they were somehow of any real importance is spewing BS. BYOND would not magically die or be doomed if anime was never allowed on this site. As a matter of fact, the site would probably have a much better reputation if Tom nipped this issue in the bud years ago. The only purpose they serve is to promote rips by making or playing them, flood the developer forums with stupid questions like "wat code 4 goku beem?", and complain about the productive site changes that just so happen to affect their copyright infringing trash. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
I'm not saying people need to be developers. What I'm saying is that every time anyone has ever said something like "Anime is the only reason BYOND exists" or "Anime brought in the majority of the userbase" as if we actually needed those people or they were somehow of any real importance is spewing BS. I tend to agree but it seems like memberships are the problem. BYOND might not *need* the anime fans, but they do purchase memberships so BYOND benefits by keeping them around. I can't think of any other reason to tolerate these kind of people and games than because the staff doesn't want to scare off potential membership purchasers. Though, at the same time, I suspect that the top 10-20 benefactors are responsible for the majority (80-90%) of the memberships purchased. That's a total guess, but it does make me wonder why so much behavior is tolerated when scaring off 90% of the community would only drop membership purchases by 10-20%. Imagine if BYOND worked in such a way that only the positive, useful contributions were shown on the site. That way taking in 4,000 anime fans isn't a problem, even if only one of them turns out to benefit the community, because the garbage produced by the other 3,999 users could be dealt with in a way that it didn't weigh down the site and hold the community back. Unfortunately the current system is almost the exact opposite and it doesn't look like significant progress will ever be made to correct this. | |
You may want to review who the top benefactors are and what they like to play. Some are far in excess of others for contribution, and their preferences are mostly sit at what BYOND exerts most of it's effort on.
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Stephen001 wrote:
You may want to review who the top benefactors are and what they like to play. Some are far in excess of others for contribution, and their preferences are mostly sit at what BYOND exerts most of it's effort on. I don't know what that means. | |
Forum_account wrote:
Stephen001 wrote: He's been speaking in parables lately. | |
It means our top benefactors (by membership) quite like the kinds of games that you would prefer the system made less noticeable. So while BYOND (as you note) probably has no issue shedding the mass of userbase that contributes maybe 10% of membership revenue, that mass also contains the one or two benefactors that make up 60%+ of membership revenue between themselves.
So the actual figure standing to loss (hypothetically, of course) is much greater than the 10% you note. And so the website makes compromises in it's design to accommodate things that are not in BYOND's longer term interests, and feigns quality controls. | |
I'm still not sure who you're talking about.
And so the website makes compromises in it's design to accommodate things that are not in BYOND's longer term interests, and feigns quality controls. I'm also not entirely sure what that refers to. I'm not sure if I'd call these things compromises - BYOND is completely backwards. A compromise is when you get something instead of getting everything. We got nothing. The problem is that BYOND needs memberships and good users, but memberships appeal most to the kind of user BYOND doesn't need. I'm not sure what changes would need to be made to get back on track but this won't right itself. It's such a bizarre situation that things will probably have to move a step backwards before the can move forwards again. This is where the staff seems hesitant, they don't want to take a step backwards even if it creates the potential for many future advancements. I really hope that the staff isn't just pinning all hope for improving the community on the Flash client. | |
Stephen001 wrote:
So the actual figure standing to loss (hypothetically, of course) is much greater than the 10% you note. That's of course assuming the people those top benefactors bought memberships for were either players or developers of anime games. Though you are right. A few of the top developers do have some to several anime games listed under favourites. (Klint_X, BYOND's second biggest listed benefactor has two DBZ games listed as his top favourites.) | |
Forum_account wrote:
I really hope that the staff isn't just pinning all hope for improving the community on the Flash client. That's exactly what I'm doing. | |
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