Many games on BYOND have admin/GM/whatever systems that give certain players and the owner power over everyone else in the game. While, I think the owner should have verbs to be able to test things out and whatnot, I personally believe that games that have ban/boot/mute/whatever verbs are poorly programmed games. I know that's a strong statement, and I know it's not entirely true, but for the most part, it is.
I've been on games and will say something... "off color", and the moderators will get mad and say things like "o u cnt say that. i ban u if u say that again". I really feel like if your game has rules that people have to follow, you suck at programming. Yeah, I said it. Cause if your rules are like:
1) Do not spam OOC.
2) Don't kill in safe zones
3) No AFK training
4) No multikeying
5) Don't say offensive things through chat.
I will say it again, you can't program. Why do I throw out such a strong statement? Is it because I mad? Nope. It's because I believe it's true. To tell people not to spam OOC shows that you don't have the knowledge to create an even simple newb spam block system within your game. It's not that hard. If() statements, a variable or two, and the sleep() proc are a few of the basic things you need to make a newb spam block system.
To say "Don't kill in safe zones" is to say that you have no idea how use area. Or even the Enter() proc for that matter. It's as simple as
turf/NOKILL Entered() src.canKill=0.
No AFK Training? This is just too simple to stop. Make it so they CAN'T. You honestly think someone's gonna stand around on your game clicking their mouse 1000 times to gain levels by kicking a dummy?
Obviously, I'm making a point by now. I don't like admin or GM systems. They are pointless. The only reason people use them is so they feel like they have power over all the players. Believe me, I know. This is all coming from a guy who had 40 players on a game, along with 2 other GMs, renamed everyone to offensive, stupid names, killed them, then banned them from the game. Funny thing is, the other owner came on, got pissed unbanned everyone, and had to rename everyone back to their original names xD. I've had some times abusing powers, but the funny thing is, the game had no rules at all. You could do whatever you want.
Basically my main point is, don't tell players that can't do something because you can't program an effective defense to it. Don't ban a player for your ignorance.
What yall think?
-end random rant (just trying to pass time until new laptop gets here :D)-
Sep 13 2011, 8:20 am
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ShadeCyberPlatinum
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i wunt to ban dah noobs
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You seem to have forgotten some important things such as:
Hate Speech Excessive Swearing Trolling Linking to porn or any other bad sites On NEStalgia, my team of moderators and I are only concerned with maintaining a halfways decent environment that children can play in. Not all the games out there are run by anime kiddies who are incapable of not abusing power. | |
@Jared
And that's why I said almost always. At least you are doing for good reasons, not to just ban people because they abused a bug or something. | |
Its like people trying to pre-emptively ban someone just cause they did something you screwed up on, as a matter of a fact I find it funny that people try to rule over some people in some game just for their own amusement with an iron fist.
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I feel admins are needed for reasons like Jaredoggy stated. Not to mention if a game gets so large it needs multiple people to moderate it. It seems like your rant is more aimed at rips around BYOND and in which case, you nail every point.
If an owner takes there game serious enough, you won't see the problems you stated. All the problems fall back on the owner, picking bad admins because he thinks there cool and so on. BYOND has to many...hmm...how do I put this, unprofessional developers who don't take the creation of there projects serious (If they ever made it!) and just want to be the dictator of there own game. | |
I like. I like lots. Good post!
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-Win-
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Ganing wrote:
@Jared I think everything Jaredoggy listed happens in pretty much any multiplayer game, though. At the very least, it justifies commands such as "mute", "boot" or "ban". More exploitable commands, such as those that have to do with editing object variables, could be necessary to fix complex and unforeseeable bugs, too. | |
Great post, but you neglected a small point you could of continued your rant on about:
GMs having abilities that are beyond simply crowd control, such as 'Level-Self-Up-100-times' verbs. Often associated with 'u gm cuz u my fwend'. Regardless this post has a lot for us all to learn from. | |
I completely agree with this any type of staff should be there to ASSIST players with problems not rule the game.
If your game cannot run itself and control its own rules...we have a problem. | |
Notes topic lists "Say offensive things through chat" Notes topic doesn't go into details. | |
Ganing wrote:
turf/NOKILL Entered() src.canKill=0. I would like to point out that you failed at using the Entered() proc. | |
ExPixel wrote:
Ganing wrote: I'd like to point out that you're an idiot. He obviously was using an Example. K?K. Don't act baws. | |
T3hNinja wrote:
ExPixel wrote: You obviously weren't suppose to take the comment seriously. | |
Admins ARE needed on roleplay games, otherwise people just fuck around constantly, and no one is there to ban them.
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You can always leave moderation up to the players with something akin to a vote-to-mute or a vote-to-boot. Although this is abusable, you would be able to set up some safeguards for it. However this wouldn't be a good idea for most games. I'm thinking more towards the round-based action games and strategy games like Feval, Ultimatum, Decadence, etc.
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Super Saiyan X wrote:
Admins ARE needed on roleplay games, otherwise people just fuck around constantly, and no one is there to ban them. Then the admins fuck around themselves, then who admins the admins? | |
Latoma wrote:
Super Saiyan X wrote: The head admin? Lol. Admins aren't needed if the game is good enough. I don't see admins moderating every single server on Minecraft or mods floating around to every lobby on COD. | |
Masterdarwin88 wrote:
Lol. Admins aren't needed if the game is good enough. I don't see admins moderating every single server on Minecraft or mods floating around to every lobby on COD. Because COD and Minecraft are games where you can do a lot of bad things without an admin around, right. | |