Yeah.. I find it sad. Especially for Caylee. There is not even a single memento for her death. Individuals just like her are out in living in abusive environments. They won't even be able to be saved, because most go unreported. This occurs out of neglect, or fear of a child to call CPS out of worrying if the system will work. Much of the time it takes too long. Even besides that, many children are unsure what to do. Some aren't even sure if they are abused.
This whole trial implied to me how such a bad mother could exist, and all her family, friends, etc knowing about it - Yet the child wasn't helped. It certainly implies a bigger issue, not on getting Casey Anthony, but the prevention of such trials in the first place. Heck, they have places where you can literally drop kids off if you do not want them.
Overall, I find it a rather sad situation when one analyzes it in detail. Even worse is people eventually forgetting this even happened.
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Chidori123 wrote:
Yeah.. I find it sad. Especially for Caylee. There is not even a single memento for her death. Individuals just like her are out in living in abusive environments. They won't even be able to be saved, because most go unreported. This occurs out of neglect, or fear of a child to call CPS out of worrying if the system will work. Much of the time it takes too long. Even besides that, many children are unsure what to do. Some aren't even sure if they are abused. The pure love you feel for a child when you look into it's innocent face usually overrides a few emotions and rational thoughts. Many parents don't even realize they are abusive either. It's all about perspective, like I said before. |
@Chidori123 You're a total badass. I like you. :3
But yeah, death row should be replaced by life in solitary confinement. Just imagine how much that would suck; your whole life, completely pointless. Also, the whole other little girls thing could not be more accurate. While people bother making facebook statuses, angry threats, etc. towards Casey Anthony, thousands of children are dying in hunger, etc. |
Well at least someone decided to put their anguish to better use with this petition for a law enactment but it's unfortunate that laws and etc only get put into place AFTER a tragedy happens...The logic of this can be understood but still..Looks like you can't even sign it though at the moment because of traffic..
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@Hiro: So by your logic, you have the same constitutional obligation to pay attention to this case as the jurors did?
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My major issue with this argument is the fact that you care. Your post has nothing to do with his argument. This trial set no constitutional precedents, did not require a supreme court decision, and I'm willing to bet it did not in any way, shape, or form involve anybody you know personally. This is hardly a good reason. The trial reinforced legal and moral conduct and was an interesting case-study of the effects and implications of media involvement in such cases. It may not have direct personal relevance, but at the very least it makes one more aware how his country functions and what might happen to him or people close to him were they in a similar situation. What ticks you off about him caring? |
@Vex: That is not my logic at all. I have the same moral obligation as the jurors, and everyone else for that matter, to look at the situation objectively, and if approach the public with the matter, to handle myself rationally and tactfully.
@Chidori: I've newfound respect for you. @Mecha: That petition is crap. If they would like to make something useful of her death, set up something as a preventative measure, not a punishment for those who do it again. |
Then how is Casey Guilty? Well in my opinion. Despite trying to come up with several reasons why she is guilty. I can't because none of the things I came up with were concrete enough.
1. She didn't call in to report her child missing for a whole thirty one days. That destroyed the evidence neeeded. 2. She's extremely narrow-minded. Given by the fact that in her jailhouse phonecalls, she kept saying "I" "me" and throughout the thirty one days, she was concerned about herself. Even getting bailed out, she didn't even bother to look for her child all she was concerned about was herself. 3. She's extremely manipulative, I found it odd that she only cried when the Jury was present. 4. She threw everyone under the bus, and tried to pin molestation on her own father including her brother. 5. She was completely cold during the trial. There was no emotion for Caylee Anthony's death. 6. She never really wanted Caylee Anthony and was going to give her up for adoption when she was born. 7. She submitted "What is given, can be taken away. Everyone lies. Everyone dies. Life will never be easy" on her myspace page as she was watching something about a serial killer. 8. When asked where Caylee is by her brother, she told him that she was over at her nany's house and doesn't want to be disturbed. In my opinion, I don't think an innocent person does that. An innocent person would confess and be cooperative. An innocent person would also participate in a search effort to find that missing child. An innocent person wouldn't lie so much to cover her own tracks. An innocent person wouldn't have such a cold expression throughout the whole trial. An innocent person wouldn't throw people under the bus to save ones-self. Those don't fit an innocent person, these behaviors don't fit innocent people. So I don't know if that makes her a murderer in other people's eyes, but its definitely suspicious in my eyes. Its a cold shiver down one's back and says "murderer" All-in-all, being a bad mother doesn't make her a killer and I guess I understand that from a juror's point-of-view. But I can't help but think that if she didn't kill her daughter. Who did? She was the only person who was so cold towards her. Of course in front of everyone it was all smoke and mirrors, when she was with Cayleee. |
@Hiro: I don't see how you could possibly have the same moral obligation as the jurors to pay close attention to this case when your judgement, unlike theirs, has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the trial or any impact on the future of the participants, and the outcome is unlikely to directly affect you either. Please explain further what you mean by this.
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First of all Vex, you statement was that you had an issue with my argument, not the fact that I had an opinion. And to simplify my last post, as a part of society, I have an obligation to not be a jackass and to not parade ignorant views in front of a camera, keyboard, et cetera.
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Vexonater wrote:
My major issue with this argument is the fact that you care. It would appear that my issue was in fact about the fact that you had an opinion you cared enough to argue on here. As for your obligation to society, does this mean that people are obligated to pay attention to every single thing that happens in the world so that they may be better informed in case the news wants to know their opinion, regardless of relevance? I hope you know every single aspect of South Sudan or Derek Jeter in case someone interviews you about your thoughts. I don't mean to be rude, but it's just a pet peeve of mine when I see that, for all of the serious and relevant issues people could be discussing, everyone seems to be going for this completely non-precedent-setting show trial. |
And yet you are here, doing the same...
Your sentence is misguiding. You can't rebut my argument by telling me I shouldn't have an argument. If you had said this instead, all would have made perfect sense; "My major issue with this is the fact that you care." I would have started a different discussion about using popular media to make points not entirely related to the actual media. Now, I will do that. If you had actually read it, you would have noticed that I care not about the actual case or anyone involved. I was simply taking the time to point out a rather glaring misconception that the general population has about out judicial system because of how prevalent it has become with this recent case. Take note that I changed it over to another case that isn't popular. There is nothing wrong with using popular media to make a point. It's not like I'm flaunting my misguided anger about or reporting news on the case. I honestly wish that more news stations would air a similar article to this. I did see a similar one run on a local station and I was quite happy for it. But the media seems to continually use the populations misguided preconceptions to fuel ratings rather than air anything educative. |
Your response is completely obfuscating, but I'll point out that you still haven't defended your point that you have a responsibility to care about it. Additionally, I would say that trying to convince people to try and spend their time worrying about more relevant/important topics is not in any way the same thing as trying to convince people that their opinions on an irrelevant case are wrong and why.
I also can't really figure out why you turned this in to an argument about media. It seems like you're finding yourself unable to adequately respond to my argument and are compensating by trying to confuse me with random tangents. |
Your argument is that I shouldn't have an argument and that's no debate at all. I have no reason to rebut it. But I did, and you seem to have missed it; I don't care about Casey Anthony, her case, her daughter, and her guilt mean nothing to me. I simply used her trial to make a point. I could have made the same point with the O.J. Simpson trial.
The discussion went to media because you wanted to know why I care enough to post. That is why. P.S. The point was that the jurors were right, the "nay sayers" are wrong, and that this is not the case that people should be worrying and bitching about. |
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There is not a person in this country who would want that type of judgment to fall on themselves, yet these same people are so quick and eager to see someone else suffer it.