i haven't heard much about the big bang, so you may be correct about that, but i am almost positive that astrologists become more religious as they figure out more about the universe and how it could have been created.
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No Jeff is right. The stats most definitely show a vast majority of scientist being atheist/agnostic.
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i can give at least one example of an evolutionist who became a creationist. this might not be enough statistic to be any real proof, but scientists do generally become more religious as they progress, no matter if they were atheist beforehand.
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No Drake, you're wrong. You might be researching astrology by the sounds of it, and that's all supernatural bs (you would want astronomy or cosmology or some other actual science).
And Darwin, you barely know what you're talking about. The process of going from singularity to the modern universe is really well thought out for the most part. If you were to target any part of the theory and of the current scientific understanding of the universe, you should target inflation or some other hacky workaround. Either way, the evidence that you claim doesn't exist includes cosmic background radiation, the expansion of the universe, and a few other things I don't know off the top of my head (look them up). Regardless, however, there are a number of developing theories that attempt to explain the Big Bang without making up fake magic men and cosmic zombie Jews. EDIT: And Drake, I've seen stories of people that believe in evolution becoming creationists, too. The best part is how they changed their views based on lies (ie. my one friend's friend was told by a priest that if natural selection was occurring then deers would've magically overcome hunters through some adaptation by now). | |
It saddens me that you are being so blunt when you speak about religion and "supernatural". I respect your opinion, and may believe whatever you want. But using stereotypes and biased thoughts to fill in the gaps where facts do not exist would be like filling the gaps in your castle with pillars of sand.
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I'd like to see some of your sources on that because all the digging I've done leads to quite the contrary. You could be making a common mistake that many people make. Scientists often use the word "god" in their papers, but usually as a means to propose a deeper question or a metaphor of some sort. There are media outlets that would warp the intent to try and send a message that most scientists are religious. Actually this happened to some of Einstein's papers. Even though he was a self professed deist there were people who took his use of the word god to say he was a Christian/whatever suits their religious agenda. Do some deeper digging, and if possible, find as unbiased a source as possible and compare that to other sources. NEVER take the word of one source as law.
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Jeff8500 wrote:
The process of going from singularity to the modern universe is really well thought out for the most part. Of course it is. That's why it conflicts so much with the laws of physics. Seriously, if any part of science is hilariously stupid, it's its explanation for the beginning of our universe. | |
May we step out of the religious aspects of this conversation? What really worries me is what happens to our conscious/soul after we die, and what will it take to live life to its fullest? I do not want to argue about God and the Big Bang theory.
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Empirez, the beautiful thing about science is the way that it constantly improves itself through peer evaluation and the scientific method. Everything is scrutinized, nothing is just accepted as fact like religion would teach you. Its something I subscribe to because of the fact that it is ever adapting to advances in our society as well as our knowledge of the universe. Heck, 50 years from now everything we think we know about physics could be proven untrue. Unlikely, but it could happen.
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Masterdarwin88 wrote:
It saddens me that you are being so blunt when you speak about religion and "supernatural". I respect your opinion, and may believe whatever you want. But using stereotypes and biased thoughts to fill in the gaps where facts do not exist would be like filling the gaps in your castle with pillars of sand. Lolwut? Astrology is one of the most widely recognized forms of psuedoscience. If it isn't BS, I don't know what is. (if you thought I was insulting religion, I wasn't; I do feel the same about religion, but I don't actually say it so brusquely). Also, I did back up my big bang stuff, if that's what you're talking about, and I could probably find the statistics I mentioned earlier pretty easily. EDIT: And Empirez, I don't get what you're talking about. It follows all the rules of physics fairly well with the exception of charge parity and certain rules regarding the speed of expansion (my knowledge on inflation is a little rough). | |
i think we're all pretty ethnocentric at times and agree that we should get off the topic of religions and beliefs of the like (even though i'm pretty sure i started it :P).
EDIT: i don't see anything wrong with astrology. it might not be the most backed-up "science", but i happen to believe in supernatural, paranormal, whatever you like to call it. it might be a bit ignorant of me to say this, but i think that generally people who don't like to think about this stuff are at least slightly close-minded. it gives a sense of mystery and creepiness almost, and i like to think | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
Seriously, if any part of science is hilariously stupid, it's its explanation for the beginning of our universe. Actually, the description of the big bang as it relates to other aspects of modern cosmology is quite beautiful, in particular the shape of our universe. It allows for a universe where the total net energy of the universe is zero, meaning there, quite literally, was nothing before the big bang, and our universe is simply the result of quantum fluctuations, which are extremely common. | |
What do I believe happens to our conscious mind after we die? I believe it could be several things.
-Out conscious mind it really the mind of our soul which is spiritually compacted into our design (That is, they're sent off to an afterlife). -Our mind fades into darkness where we cease to exist. -Our minds integrate someway or form spiritually into another body (that is, reincarnation). -Our minds, our conscious minds revert to the way they were before we were born, which none of us are aware of. -Our minds are awake but frozen, feeling the pain of decomposing or being carbonized/suffocated for all eternity. I would not like to cease to exist. I would not like to be reincarnated as another person and lose my thoughts. I suppose what I want is an afterlife to go to, I have a hard to time grasping nothingness as apart of reality, but I consider it. I find myself to be questioning death lately. I want to know what's after it. I'd be heavily saddened to know there isn't life after death, depressed even. I'd want some form of life to spend it with those I care about. I wouldn't want to vanish into a dark abyss, losing my conscious mind forever. Some people don't care about losing their ability to live. To me forever is a long time, a long time. Try and grasp how long after death is, it's forever. It goes on and on and on. Never ending. Living for such a brief time and not existing for such a long time really is depressing in so many ways; on one hand it makes you want to live forever, the other is makes you question the point in living (At least in my case it did). Am I a Christian? No. Do I believe in God? Yes. I find it to be just as plausible that we have souls that're transfered to some form of afterlife. At that it makes me question, what about the spiders and insects I kill on a daily basis? They have a mind, they're living. Where would they go? To think in the moments of my death, I'll never see that person ever again, I'll never taste that soda again, I'll never breathe again. This is it, forever gone. I personally feel there has to be more to it, and when I die I hope I'm right. So I'll continue to live life with high standards, morals and an obligation to hold myself to these not because I believe I'll be punished in some way or form, but because it's what I feel to be philosophically right. I've also heard a saying, "If you believe in justice, you believe in a Heaven and Hell", which I find to be interesting. It makes me think about things, would I want the bad guys to be punished? Absolutely, some people delight in others suffering and need to be pay for their crimes. I want people that helped others, did good in their life to be rewarded. Some people'll argue that good and evil are points of view. That's right, they are. However that may be, I believe we all know deep down what's really right and what's really wrong. Stephen Hawking really has some nice quotes on the matter. There's one in particular I enjoy: "The universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws." Also a fun fact is that the Big Bang theory was founded by a Catholic man, a priest even. I did a lot of research and found that as well as religious aspects and the Steady State theory, they all seem to be the quite plausible. So all in all, regardless of what you believe, live life to the fullest, be happy and kind to others. Respect your fellow man. | |
...Interesting point. But lets move away from the science and religious aspects of the existance of the universe. What do you think, from the poll, will happen at the "end of time" or "when you die"?
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extremely hard to fathom what it would feel like to be dead, and never exist in the history of the universe again.
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Thats what has made me feel humble and very curious. After the death of my best friend, I went into deep thought, seriously questioning the beliefs that I had grown up with. The results I came up with were far from satisfactory.
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I believe that life is a prize. I live life to the fullest every single day. I've faced many challenges in my life.
I feel it's best to do so because in many cases to live dosen't mean your alive. | |
Thank you, Diachi. :c
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The big bang theory has little to no suppourt of it. If you can believe that everything, billions and billions of stars, galaxies, and other matter were once compacted into a small, super-dense orb with a size that can barely compete with an electron, then how can you not consider the fact that a superior being might've created us?