Shenron 2

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Oct 2 2010, 6:44 pm
In response to Etsukurenay
Etsukurenay wrote:
Why?o.o.Give me a really good reason and i wont do it anymore <->.

There is none, besides personal preference.
Ignore anyone telling you that pillow-shading is bad. It's a technique, and art is art. There is no pre-determined guidelines that you must follow, unless you are making a piece that absolutely has to follow a specification.
Art is the visual and audio representation of our creativity to express our emotions, thoughts and desires.
Oct 2 2010, 6:48 pm
In response to Maximus_Alex2003
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Etsukurenay wrote:
Why?o.o.Give me a really good reason and i wont do it anymore <->.

There is none, besides personal preference.
Ignore anyone telling you that pillow-shading is bad. It's a technique, and art is art. There is no pre-determined guidelines that you must follow, unless you are making a piece that absolutely has to follow a specification.
Art is the visual and audio representation of our creativity to express our emotions, thoughts and desires.
i know, its just that this dude insulted me on msn and now he try to do it here.
and yes pillow shading is bad. but its a technique,and art is art <_<.
Oct 2 2010, 6:50 pm
In response to Etsukurenay
Etsukurenay wrote:

i know, its just that this dude insulted me on msn and now he try to do it here.
and yes pillow shading is bad. but its a technique,and art is art <_<.

It's only "bad" because "you think" it's "bad."

Get my point?
There is no pre-determined guidelines to art. It's either you like it or you don't, but that doesn't mean no one else likes it.
Oct 2 2010, 7:01 pm
In response to Maximus_Alex2003
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Etsukurenay wrote:

i know, its just that this dude insulted me on msn and now he try to do it here.
and yes pillow shading is bad. but its a technique,and art is art <_<.

It's only "bad" because "you think" it's "bad."

Get my point?
There is no pre-determined guidelines to art. It's either you like it or you don't, but that doesn't mean no one else likes it.
Its bad.But i like it.i never said i dont.And yes i get your point.
Oct 2 2010, 8:33 pm
In response to Etsukurenay
No, Pillow shading isn't bad. It's all a personal preference. But, some pieces could do without pillow shading. Such as this dragon :p. I think you should just use darker version of that color you used on the tongue. That should work for shading it lol.

Off topic: What happened to Rugg?? I've been gone for so long that when I came back, I forgot all about him :/... don't put too much effort into answering this though. Just a wonder lol.

Back on Topic: Anyway, this looks good so far man :). Even if he does look kinda happy lol. Looks like the dragon from the original Dragon Ball lol...with red eyes this time though :).
Oct 2 2010, 10:23 pm
In response to Maximus_Alex2003
By your logic there's no bad anything, it's just personal preference. Bad/poor programming? Preference. Eventually you have to draw a line for this.
Oct 3 2010, 12:33 am (Edited on Oct 3 2010, 12:44 am)
In response to Moonlight Memento
Yeah, you just drew the line. Doing visual art is different from programming. Yeah, it truly is. If you do something that is considered bad in programming, it can mess up the actual function of the thing you're programming. In visual art, there really is no set way to do something. Sure, there are things you'll need before starting, and there are "preferred" ways to do it, however, you can create art anyway you want. We're not saying pillow shade the entire object, but to utilize it in certain areas, ya' know? There is no wasted technique in art. As long as it creates art, it's neither good or bad.

It's all about preference and utilization in visual art my friend :). (Bringing up programming was irrelevant too dude lol. But oh well let's stay on topic :p)
Oct 3 2010, 2:47 am
In response to Moonlight Memento
Moonlight Memento wrote:
By your logic there's no bad anything, it's just personal preference. Bad/poor programming? Preference. Eventually you have to draw a line for this.
That wasnt what we was/he was Talking about =/
Oct 3 2010, 8:51 am
In response to Maximus_Alex2003
You guys are killing me.
Oct 3 2010, 9:23 am
In response to AmonR
I couldnt agree more.
Oct 3 2010, 10:11 am
In response to Pmitch
Same here lol...but is this guy really not gonna work on him anymore D:? He's actually looking good! Like, if he added more to it..you guys think this would make a front page? I can see the potential :D! I wish he would reply lol.
Oct 3 2010, 11:20 am
In response to ShadowiceTeam
Why critique any art then? It's all good, just different styles. Jagged edges, disproportinate (spelling?) bodies, etc, just art style, no need to fix or critique anything.

I'm not trying to start anything, you can defend pillow shading if you wish, but most of the time (I can't think of a good case of pillow shading) it's really tacky, unneeded and in some cases, ugly (pillow shade a human), like everything Picazzo spat out. That reminds me, I need to add doodling randomly on paper to be on my Get Rich Quick Schemes (C) book.
Oct 3 2010, 12:42 pm
In response to Moonlight Memento
Well, we critique because we are pointing out things we feel need work. Our critiques are just from our preferences as well. People post on here for some C&C because the results they got, were not the ones they were going for. So they look to us for preferred techniques and such like that brah :). It's up to the artist on whether their piece is bad or not in reality. If they think it's ugly, they're gonna come for some C&C to make it look better to them, and in a lot of cases, so it can be accepted by the majority of viewers. He's basically trying to fit their preferences as well. :)

It's like...Movie critics. There is usually the one that points out the reason the movie was good...and another that points out why the movie was bad. Lol, but this guy doesn't even need to use pillow shading :p.

(Doodles can get you a long way too bro! Haha, trust me. As long as you're truly aiming to make money off of them, it can be achieved!)
Oct 3 2010, 12:54 pm
In response to ShadowiceTeam
I don't consider pillow shading a preference or technique though. Technique in my eyes requires it needing some form of skill or talent to do, preference perhaps. I can't think of anything that should be using a pillow shade. My art style is a basic, cartoony kind but I like it, though I'd still request help for it here and there!

(Doodles can get you a long way too bro! Haha, trust me. As long as you're truly aiming to make money off of them, it can be achieved!)

Indeed. I'm just going to spill paint onto a blank sheet of paper and label it "Le Face". Should sell for millions. It worked for Picazzo!
Oct 3 2010, 1:06 pm
In response to Moonlight Memento
Yeah, lol. Very funny how art works. Have you see the video about the little girl that is getting all this recognition from painting a "Masterpiece"? It's basically a bunch of paint splatter :p. But people like it. Pillow Shading isn't preferred by you though, since you believe it to be ugly. Therefore you don't use it :).

As for requesting help, you may be doing a style you like...but it doesn't mean you're absolutely satisfied with the actual product you're creating :). Soooo, regardless of the style you're going for, you want critiques on how to make a decent piece, utilizing that style :p. Get me :D?
Oct 3 2010, 3:06 pm
In response to AmonR
BYOND..
Oct 3 2010, 8:00 pm
In response to ShadowiceTeam
No, I don't. Why would you want critiques on something that's 100% preferences? What can anyone do to help you? Prove pillow shading can actually be nice or helpful.
Oct 3 2010, 8:39 pm
In response to Moonlight Memento
Huuuuuhh??? o_O. No dude. The technique you use is preference. You want critiques on the product, not the technique. Even if you use a technique you prefer, it doesn't mean the product will come out the exact way YOU want it. So, you go to the forums, and get Constructive Criticism, to try and get help on getting the product up to the level you want it. They'll tell you different techniques you can use, and how you can use them to get the results you're looking for. You kinda posted again without choosing your words o_o. You can't critique a...preference o_O.. Lol.

I'm gonna stop being dick by posting on this guy's topic, to explain to you what's being talked about lol... even though I originally posted to kinda help the creator of this topic out lol.

Oct 3 2010, 10:30 pm
In response to ShadowiceTeam
If you are hellbent on one technique the criticism of others will not help because they will suggest other techniques. I feel like I am going in circles. End of story: Pillow shading generally has no purpose and it's on par for gradient for really, really meh-looking art most of the time.
Oct 4 2010, 8:43 am (Edited on Oct 4 2010, 8:55 am)
I would completely ignore anything in this topic advocating you use any sort of pillow shading. It will seriously make your dragon look like complete crap. The light source is a big funky, but I think it's more an issue with your shape and line art. Smooth out and refine your edges, and think about where the light is coming from and where it hits the body. The parts where it hits the body should be light, where as the parts of the body that aren't lit up are darker.


As for anyone actually advocating pillow shading. This forum section is for improving people's art, not making it worse. Pillow shading is a lazy crutch for people that don't know or don't want to learn how to shade. It often looks strange, and does a very poor job of showing volume and shape (which is the point of shading in the first place). There are situations where pillow shading will work, but those are rare. I don't see how pillow shading the tongue would make it look better than shading it to actually have depth and look like it's actually inside of the mouth.
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