Lol, well I wasn't saying you should use pillow shading on this, but just saying that is can be useful in certain areas of an object, or for certain scenery. Stuff like Cut scenes, or levels that base the light on you.
See, not entirely useless, just HOW you use it. But I wouldn't even worry about Pillow Shading, and to just go ahead and smooth it out like Maggeh said. Just work a bit more on leveling out the colors, and making it all fit together :).
(P.S. I'm actually a group of people, not one person :p.)
(P.S. I'm actually a group of people, not one person :p.) A group of people that all act the same? Using this excuse in case of a future ban somewhere? | |
Moonlight Memento wrote:
(P.S. I'm actually a group of people, not one person :p.) Dude, seriously in every post you've made, it goes off-topic. On topic: Shenron looks decent, it has a lot of potential and just needs some smoothing in line and proper lighting rather than most people suggestion pillowshading i would just go from lights from below upward considering the dragonballs are the ones are emitting light. Soften the outlines also.  | |
Mesmerise wrote:
Moonlight Memento wrote:oh when you say soften the lines.. do you mean making the outlines lighter? and not black? | |
Yea, black outline is tedious because of the colors contrast, but it's fine to leave some black in sometimes to indicate some sort of shadow or dark spot.
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Or your could use a darker green instead of Black for the dark areas. It does look good too...Mesmerise's edit is showing a great example of how you can set up the shading, to make the art stand out more :p. I can't wait to see the finished results of this :).
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Id steer away from using black as much as possible, especially for shadows/dark spots. The reason for this is that it tends to make things look flat. Id go with a very dark blue or purple.
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In regards to pillow shading shouldn't it be okay for a Dragonball Z game's Super Saiyan form since the light is being emitted from the persons body? Case in point Buu Saga Goku Vs. Yakon. Goku went Super Saiyan in the dark room where Yakon was eating the light and Yakon ate all the light created from Goku's Super Saiyan. I'm new to the Byond Art Society in any meaning of the word but I've looked up stuff about pillow shading and such and that seems to be a time when it would be okay. This is more of a question than a statement so please don't destroy me with rudeness :P
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Gregeman wrote:
In regards to pillow shading shouldn't it be okay for a Dragonball Z game's Super Saiyan form since the light is being emitted from the persons body? Case in point Buu Saga Goku Vs. Yakon. Goku went Super Saiyan in the dark room where Yakon was eating the light and Yakon ate all the light created from Goku's Super Saiyan. I'm new to the Byond Art Society in any meaning of the word but I've looked up stuff about pillow shading and such and that seems to be a time when it would be okay. This is more of a question than a statement so please don't destroy me with rudeness :P Light doesn't work anything like that, just think of where the light source is and which way it would spread and how far it would go.  Example a quick one i drew up | |
@ Gregeman :
You're actually spot-on correct, and ignore people trying to tell you otherwise. They are just biased against pillow-shading. Key word : biased. In your example, the light would flow to every possible direction since there is no arguing light-source. So the primary light-source of the Super Saiyan would come from their body and hit everything in the light's radius, causing a pillow-shaded affect. Mesmerise was almost correct, except the mis-interpretation of the actual position of the light-source. In the case of pillow-shading, the light-source does not originate from the feet, but at the center of perfect symmetry -- horizontally and vertically. You can't logically shade a Ball any other way besides pillow-shading -- maybe add some dithering for more appeal --, if the light-source is directly hitting the center of the ball. Think of First-Person mixed with Over-The-Shoulders perspective, and that's where the commonly-used 3/4th perspective comes from that is seen in the majority of BYOND games. Shading does not ONLY come from light-source, but perspective and that's where a lot of people go wrong in saying Pillow-Shading is terrible. There's many factors to include, and excluding one, is visually/logically incorrect. To shade, you must account for: Depth. Light-Source. Perspective. Strength of Light-Source. Etc. This concludes my ranting. | |
Yes, I am biased towards pillow shading, because it is a horrible practice. And having seen more than enough of it, not only from myself in the past but from the art posted on this site and these forums, and not seeing a single good use of it, id say i deserve to be against such a crappy way of pixeling.
And to all of those still supporting and/or reccommending pillow shading, show me something that looks GOOD pillow shaded. You wont. This has gotten ridiculous. Im not going to reiterate why one shouldnt pillow shade when pixeling, as Maggeh just did so. | |
Ok I will admit the pillow shading could be a little better, but lets call it for what it is. Pillow Shading is a fundamental and, as an artist, you can't forget that. Pillow shading is not and Never will be a bad thing. If you want to help him, tell him how to fix the pillow shade first, because pillow shading is the foundation of all pixel shading techniques. Everyone bad mouthing the fundamental could not teach him a technique like dithering, without telling him to pillow shade the picture first. There is not an Artist on this forum who does not pillow shade even right now. It may not be what you see as the finish product, but be sure that you know we pillow shaded first.
Yesss... Lets us let him master pillow shading shall we... Soon he will see the limitsss to itsss Power. Then he will come me own.. Seeking definition and perception. Aye Sasuke... .no wait... | |
Pmitch wrote:
Id steer away from using black as much as possible, especially for shadows/dark spots. The reason for this is that it tends to make things look flat. Id go with a very dark blue or purple. oh i find that really interesting that you say go with dark blue or purple, why not dark green? | |
You should be fine as long as it isnt black. The reason id say you should go with a dark blue or purple for shadows as opposed to green is because itl bring out the green, and be overall more appealing than just using a dark green. (hue shifting)
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Hold on guys, he's getting a massive one over pillow shading. Another way pillow shading isn't a technique: It takes mere seconds to pillow shade a sprite/icon, and it's always done in the same way indicating all pillow shaded art is the same.
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Pmitch wrote:
You should be fine as long as it isnt black. The reason id say you should go with a dark blue or purple for shadows as opposed to green is because itl bring out the green, and be overall more appealing than just using a dark green. (hue shifting) ooh ok | |
We're OVER the pillow shading deal people. Sheesh, just help the girl with her art. The people saying Pillow Shading is straight up bad, truly don't understand shading and lighting completely. It's more than just the character, it deals with the environment as well.
The shading on the character can be changed up with the lighting of he environment, and where the light comes directly from the character, in a completely blacked out room, pillow shading comes in handy. Anyway... what could work, is to mix the dark green and blue o_o...maybe. So it'll blend, but make the green stand out more too, lol. I'd experiment a little :P. Like, make different versions of it. But that's what I'D do. You don't have to lol. But, test out that combo though lol. | |
derrrp are you talking about me? Yeah im going to work on the shenron more when i have more time, been caught up with school work again. I also didn't expect to have a huge argument on pillow shading on this lol.
(p.s: I'm a girl)