Just finished reading it... It is an amazingly helpful guide... I suggest that anyone who has the money and is trying to learn the language picks one up...
Not to mention that Dan is hilarious...lol Gotta love footnotes like the following:
"And if you made a backup of the savefile, you are "free" to crash tyour hard-drive too! What fun!"
lol
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 Nov 13 2001, 8:04 pm
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Nov 13 2001, 8:07 pm
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Nadrew
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My learning stages didn't have the blue book to guide them along...
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Yep... I pity you poor "oldbies"... Having to learn everything from the site resources and basic trial and error...
Although I still suggest the Book for veterans as well Because it's a handy reference for looking up whatever you may need to... (you simply can't have memorized EVERYTHING...lol) Plus it's greatly entertaining in some places (mostly in the footnotes...lol) | |
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
Yep... I pity you poor "oldbies"... Having to learn everything from the site resources and basic trial and error... Er... not every one of the oldbies has to learn from site resources. Most do have the Blue Book, and most are actually featured inside it. I think Deadron, Spuzzum, and Theodis are all mentioned. Or someone of those lines. Although I still suggest the Book for veterans as well Because it's a handy reference for looking up whatever you may need to... (you simply can't have memorized EVERYTHING...lol) Well, I haven't memorized everything. That's for sure! I actually plan on getting it sometime this or next month :) Plus it's greatly entertaining in some places (mostly in the footnotes...lol) Hehe, so I've heard! :) | |
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
Yep... I pity you poor "oldbies"... Having to learn everything from the site resources and basic trial and error... I'm not an "oldbie" I've only been at byond for about five months, everything else you said up there is just about true to my case. | |
Vortezz wrote:
Er... not every one of the oldbies has to learn from site resources. Most do have the Blue Book, and most are actually featured inside it. I think Deadron, Spuzzum, and Theodis are all mentioned. Or someone of those lines. I realize this... What I meant was that the very first oldbies had to learn without the book...from the site resources... That doesn't mean that they CAN'T learn from the book... Just that when they started...it wasn't available to them... So they had to begin with just what the site offers... As for who's mentioned... There's a lengthy list of Acknowledgements in the Forward of developers... Of which include Spuzzum, AbyssDragon, and Zilal... (and a bunch of other names that aren't Keys and/or don't seem to be around at the moment) Deadron and Guy Tellefsen ('Gughunter' if I have gathered correctly... forgive me/smack me if I am wrong...) are given an "extra dept of gratitude" for helping to edit the Book... Well, I haven't memorized everything. That's for sure! I actually plan on getting it sometime this or next month :) You'll be glad you did... :) Hehe, so I've heard! :) You've heard right... I actually found myself chuckling audibly at times...lol | |
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
Yep... I pity you poor "oldbies"... Having to learn everything from the site resources and basic trial and error... Well, sonny, believe it or not, there were no site resources back then! We had to learn everything from trial and error, including what all the words of the programming language are! You wouldn't believe how many tries it took me to find out what the command for "define a prototype of a mobile unit here" was! Z | |
Well, sonny, believe it or not, there were no site resources back then! We had to learn everything from trial and error, including what all the words of the programming language are! You wouldn't believe how many tries it took me to find out what the command for "define a prototype of a mobile unit here" was! Heh! The truth is, even in 1999 there were already several good resources available, all of which are still around and still very useful: Guide A Taste of DUNG (a.k.a. A Step BYOND) Reference Forums | |
lol... Good one... And I suppose you had to walk 10 miles to and from school uphill both ways with no shoes in 5 feet of snow...
lol I hope I haven't offended anyone by calling them "oldbies"... I just used it as a reference to those that have been around since before the publication of the Blue Book... And I've looked through the site resources... To someone just starting out...it's a little daunting to have to learn it all from scratch from what we're offered here... The Blue Book is a great reasource in that it explains things a little more in depth and from the perspective that the reader doesn't know everything already (somewhat unlike the site resources) and gives examples of just about everything... I don't think I could be half as far as I am with my game by this early point in time without the Book... Just looking at the Guide or the Reference makes my head hurt...lol (just kidding, of course... they did at first...but now after reading the Book I can handle them...lol) Don't get me wrong, though... The site resources are also a helpful guide... But the Book is much more "user friendly"...lol | |
I don't think I could be half as far as I am with my game by this early point in time without the Book... Just looking at the Guide or the Reference makes my head hurt...lol (just kidding, of course... they did at first...but now after reading the Book I can handle them...lol) Plus, don't forget that a physical book is much easier to page through and read than even the most well-designed website available. | |
Very true...
And not to mention the fact that unless you save some form of the site reference to your hard drive...you can only use it while online... Whereas with the Book you can be offline and still have a handy reference for coding work... | |
Plus, don't forget that a physical book is much easier to page through and read than even the most well-designed website available. Well when I first started with DUNG I printed out the reference and guide before I left for my 2000 mile drive to Kentucky. So I had some good reading for the trip too bad I couldn't test any of my knowledge until a few weeks later when I returned :P. | |
Theodis wrote:
Well when I first started with DUNG I printed out the reference and guide before I left for my 2000 mile drive to Kentucky. So I had some good reading for the trip too bad I couldn't test any of my knowledge until a few weeks later when I returned :P. 2000 MILES!!!!!!!!!! I WOULD DIE ON A TRIP LIKE THAT I BARELY MAKE IT 900 MILES, DID YOU LIKE IT??? | |
Stealth 2k wrote:
Theodis wrote: heh And in an 18 hour strech me and my dad made it over half that distance in one day :). I didn't really like it though, kinda boring. | |
Spuzzum wrote:
kinda boring. And it was to Kentucky :P (I live in Kentucky. I know it's boring.) | |
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Fewer questions you shall see, from this little programming busy bee. For I behold the Mighty Blue Book!!!!!!!! Got it in the mail tody, and just thumbing through it, even a "Hello, World!!" beginning I feel more at home now!! LJR | |
Fewer questions you shall see, from this little programming busy bee. For I behold the Mighty Blue Book!!!!!!!! Congratulations! I'm glad to see that people are buying the Blue Book. Not only is it a great book in its own right, but it's also a fine preparation for Computer Science courses and careers (and an entertaining introduction to the discipline of RTFM: Read The F-in' Manual). If you master the ideas presented in the Blue Book, you will have a huge head start should you try working with other languages later in life. Plus you'll have a lot of fun. | |
Yeah... if I didn't have BYOND and the Blue Book, I'd be saving the environment right now, rather than contributing to an overwhelming problem of wasted electricity, forcing the construction of hydroelectric dams, which flood thousands of acres of pristine wilderness and displace thousands of British Columbian-native species.
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Spuzzum wrote:
Yeah... if I didn't have BYOND and the Blue Book, I'd be saving the environment right now, rather than contributing to an overwhelming problem of wasted electricity, forcing the construction of hydroelectric dams, which flood thousands of acres of pristine wilderness and displace thousands of British Columbian-native species. Who knows... maybe you'll make a game that will persuade other people to do the environment-saving for you! (And from the reviews I've read so far, it sounds like this is one of the goals of Metal Gear Solid 2.) | |