I see often people on these forums refer the people that play my game to 'DBZers', and well they may call them what they want. 75% (roughly) of the people that play my game are what I call 'Newbies', which is almost an insult if you are on my game. 'Newbies', as I define them, may not be new to my game, or new to BYOND. They are very immature people, that don't spell correctly and whine constantly. People who ask 'cen i be a gm plz?' for hours on end. But the other %25, are good, socialistic people that don't whine. Thought I'd just clear that up for you, that not all 'DBZers' are bad people. Thanks.
-=Dracon=-
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 Mar 18 2002, 6:00 am
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HAHA! Freewebz pulled your site for a violation of their TOS!
LOL! What did you have up there that was so wrong? Better email them about it! ~X | |
And, as for his use of HTML, I see no reason why one can't change the standard font of their post to better suit their needs, even if those needs aren't clear to you. He's not using it improperly, nor is his use annoying or obnoxious. I think you're just nit-picking...
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But the other %25, are good, socialistic people Whew, for a second there I thought they might be capitalist DBZers. Glad you cleared that up! -AbyssDragon | |
We also call them DBZers if they have a classic DBZer name like "ssjMichel" or "SuperGohan10001", "MasterSSJ4/\/inja"... The term tends to suggest the type of people we don't want in our games.
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Just because they have have DBZ name does not mean they will mess/spam around in your game. Sorry to this but it is an example:
SuperSaiyanGokuX if lets say you did not know him you would think its another dumb DBZer. It is stereotypical, just because a few are idiots do it, thats not an exuse to say the rest are! | |
Having a DBZ name does not make you a bad person. However, people with DBZ names have a higher likelyhood of being an idiot - statistics show. And yes, I have to take a second look every time I look at SuperSaiyanGokuX's posts to make sure I read the name right. Unless he's happy being thought of as a DBZer most of the time, he'd probably be better off changing his name. But that's his problem :oP
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As it happens, I happen to consider it offensive and wrong-headed to use "newbie" as an insult, either for people who are actually new or (especially) for anyone who seems a bit "slow." It implies that hanging out on a game or in a community for a longer time makes people inherently better and allows them to treat everyone else as second-class netizens.
However, back to the original issue, I agree that the term "DBZer" is not a very useful term for anyone, due to the fact that 1. A very few DBZ fans are actually intelligent, mature people (and a somewhat larger but still limited selection are still acceptably close to being so), and 2. There are many people who are just as bad as the stereotypical "DBZer" who do not, in fact, like DBZ that much (though they still often populate fan games of one sort or another). Someone suggested a while back that the term "pbagger" be substituted instead; while this is still not a perfect term (someone could concievably make a game where punching bags were an interesting, thought-provoking game element and it's not their fault if people are too lazy to type an extra 8 characters), it's generally understood that this refers to games in general where the sole purpose is to perform some highly repetitive action to build power and then lord over any weaker players. (It should be noted that most games, to some extent, follow this pattern; the distinction is largely in the complexity and variety of power-building and competition). | |
Leftley wrote:
As it happens, I happen to consider it offensive and wrong-headed to use "newbie" as an insult, either for people who are actually new or (especially) for anyone who seems a bit "slow." It implies that hanging out on a game or in a community for a longer time makes people inherently better and allows them to treat everyone else as second-class netizens. I heartily agree. In another community it was often a mistake to confuse newbies with trolls; the groups overlapped somewhat, but not frequently enough to justify such a thing. Newbies are exactly as the term implies--new. I was a newbie to BYOND 6 months ago, a little less of one 5 months ago, and less still at the turn of the year. Compared to some others, that's nothing. I hate the term "newb" or "n00b" more (the latter being 100 times worse, since it's stinking l33t crap); it's merely a corruption of the intended term used to bring people down. I've actually had conversations in chat where a person would take great offense to being called a newbie if they were new to the chat but not the game the chat was about. This is silly, and it's indicative of just how badly the word "newbie" has been abused as a pejorative. However, back to the original issue, I agree that the term "DBZer" is not a very useful term for anyone, due to the fact that 1. A very few DBZ fans are actually intelligent, mature people (and a somewhat larger but still limited selection are still acceptably close to being so), and 2. There are many people who are just as bad as the stereotypical "DBZer" who do not, in fact, like DBZ that much (though they still often populate fan games of one sort or another). Someone suggested a while back that the term "pbagger" be substituted instead; while this is still not a perfect term (someone could concievably make a game where punching bags were an interesting, thought-provoking game element and it's not their fault if people are too lazy to type an extra 8 characters), it's generally understood that this refers to games in general where the sole purpose is to perform some highly repetitive action to build power and then lord over any weaker players. (It should be noted that most games, to some extent, follow this pattern; the distinction is largely in the complexity and variety of power-building and competition). I like the term DBZer for similar reasons to your dislike of it, though. As has been observed, intelligent DBZ fans are the exception, not the rule; people who don't like DBZ but are called DBZers often tend to like the concept of fan games. It falls under my axiom that most stereotypes are mostly true. (It follows as a corollary that none of them are completely true. And when I state this axiom I recognize there are some truly glaring exceptions, like a lot of racist caricatures from the early 20th century.) About 95% of our DBZer infestation fits the mold implied by the term. For the same reason I don't mind the term "AOLer". I've had an e-mail address on AOL for 10 years, and after running a chat, I've discovered that most people referred to as AOLers don't use AOL. They do, however, conform to the behavior established by a particularly obnoxious breed of AOL chatter. As it was explained to me, and this explanation I accept, being an AOLer has more to do with a way of life than which online service you use. Likewise, our DBZers are DBZers whether they're in the top 1% intellectually or whether they don't like Dragonball Z. Lummox JR | |
Foomer wrote:
Having a DBZ name does not make you a bad person. However, people with DBZ names have a higher likelyhood of being an idiot - statistics show. And yes, I have to take a second look every time I look at SuperSaiyanGokuX's posts to make sure I read the name right. Unless he's happy being thought of as a DBZer most of the time, he'd probably be better off changing his name. But that's his problem :oP I don't think anyone's ever sampled to acquire such statistics, but if they did so I think the clarity of the result would shock everybody. Even those of us who believe most DBZers are cretins would probably be flabbergasted by the raw numbers. SSGX is certainly well above average (in the good way) on all counts, but I attribute his stubbornness on the ellipsis issue to be a fairly typical DBZer character flaw molded--by the fact that he's fairly lucid and in most cases rational--into something that offends in a different and subtler way. I'm not sure the appellation "DBZer" would apply to him if he changed his name, though, so I'd probably then call him a pyroregine--though still an above-average one. Lummox JR | |
I really have no problem with being known as a "DBZer"... If I were ashamed of being a fan of the show, I wouldn't be a fan of the show... It's as simple as that... So I gladly accept the term because it's true... I am a "DBZer"... However...I hope that I'm not completely aligned with the stereotype... And it seems that I'm gradually showing that I'm not...
Just wait until you guys see some of the non-DBZ projects that will be coming from me in the near future... I hope it will become increasingly difficult to call me a "DBZer" in the negative sense...lol In fact...I'm glad that it seems to bother some of you so much... That shows that it's working... | |
Ah, yes, I see it all so clearly now. By going out of your way to annoy other people, you'll transform hordes of (unrelated) immature fans into respectable people, thus saving BYOND!
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Thanks for the compliment(s)... And I'd also like to say that it's rather flattering that you care so much about my bad habit that it bothers you to the extent that it seems to...lol
If you saw me as just another DBZer...you probably wouldn't care and would just continue ignoring me... But the fact that you aren't really ignoring me says that you have some desire to read my posts...but are too annoyed by these "..." to do it... But you seem to keep trying (as attested by that humorous reply to my "3D" thread...lol) So I'm happy with the situation...lol As for my "character flaw"... In introspect...I've had that sort of flaw for as long as I can remember... Stubbornness is a big part of my personality... I also have a fairly large ego (which I try to keep supressed)...an invincibility complex (inherant in all teenagers...but I've retained mine past my teen years)...and a super hero complex (I just never get the chance to play the hero...but I would at the drop of a hat) I think these things are combined in DBZ in one form or another... Hence my affinity for it... | |
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
But the fact that you aren't really ignoring me says that you have some desire to read my posts...but are too annoyed by these "..." to do it... But you seem to keep trying (as attested by that humorous reply to my "3D" thread...lol) Well, 3D gaming interests me generally, but as a rule whenever one of your posts waxes long, I know it will be impossible for me to read it and I just zero in on a single line instead. Hence that reply. ...but I've retained mine past my teen years)... Now this deeply worries me, that a grown man could retain a habit that distressingly stupid. (I realize "stupid" is an inflammatory word, but there isn't a better one for it.) Of course you're referring to something else in that line, but the fact is if you've made it into your 20s still doing that ellipsis thing, you've got more problems than I gave you credit for side-stepping. Little offense intended. Lummox JR | |
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
Heh... Not quite what I meant by that... Yes, but it's what you got across anyway. I refer you to a previous post on the subject, when you said this made you noticeable. I said that's true, but if you're noticeable for doing something idiotic, then that only means people notice you're an idiot--whether you really are one or not. Notoriety isn't something to aspire to; achievement is. Any loser can make a name for himself by doing something outrageous, usually something outrageously stupid. That's really all you're doing with this, and the fact that you don't seem otherwise to be a loser is something we have to constantly remind ourselves of while reading your posts. (I feel comfortable saying "we" because I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.) You're kind of the equivalent of a Nobel laureate doing infomercials for some tacky junk-science weight loss product--we wince at seeing it, knowing you're capable of so much better. Lummox JR | |
You'll be more distressed to know that my "stupid" habit actually started not too long ago... As I've said before...it's a strictly internet-only thing...and I've only really been an avid internet user since about my senior year of high school...
So it doesn't go back into my early childhood days when I didn't know better or anything... It began well after I already knew all of the rules and could apply them properly (I did very well academically) So I'm sure you'll be greatly distressed to know that I do this on purpose...not by accident or not knowing better...or even just out of simple habit... | |
PS,
Please lay off the html it should only be used in special cases not for a whole post, this is discussed here