Winbiko wrote:

Bump :)

If you're going to bump a post in less than a day--which is monstrously stupid, by the way, in light of what you've learned (or were supposed to have learned) about these forums--don't flaunt it. I realize your post was pushed to the next page by some long threads, but give the sucker time. And don't get cutesy about it.

Lummox JR

Lummox JR,

You dont really know anything about me so please calm down. Look I am banned from the computer. So I can only go on for short bursts then there are long periods of non acess. I was hoping that I would get an answer before I had to get off. AKA keep my post at the top just for the time I was on.

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That was the first time I broke a rule.
(sorry)

I was not trying to justify my actions. I was merely explaining them.

Why does L.JR and other feel the urge to slam me whenever I post. Its not like I go looking for thier posts just to correct them. I understand basic forum rules, but I didnt think it would be too much of an issue if I just did it once. Why can't people who have an answer to my question post and not people who want to correct me?

Winbiko wrote:

Also I respect the people on the forum. I have never gone into peoples post just to yell at them, half the time I am trying to defend myself.

You don't respect people on the forum; not in general anyway. This was established in your recent thread in Classifieds. If you did show such respect, you would listen to what people tell you about the forum's rules of conduct instead of insisting you have the right to do whatever you want until a moderator tells you otherwise. And when you refuse to listen to those people, you're snide about it; this isn't the first time you've said "simmer down", and not the second that you've said something much like it. You have no basis to be condescending.

Also I help newbies whenever I can, and I dont slam them about not knowing the answer or asking stupid questions.

For the most part, that describes everybody. Lots of people help out the newbies, and people don't usually get "slammed" for stupid questions.

Also I am trying to get a open source area going so people can post code freely without the wait.

Kappa posted some code on Pariah. I accepted it, and looked it over and gave him a suggestion. If that not respect, I dont know what is.

I agree with that last sentence completely, because what you've just described is mere interaction; helpfulness, surely. But that's not respect. Respect is a completely different concept.

One type of respect, the type you were expected to show (and others who've made mistakes have shown), is that since you were a fairly new poster, it was reasonable to assume that there were people who'd been around longer who understood the nuances of the forums. If those people say you've crossed a line, it's a good idea to defer to their judgment. I do the same when I'm new to a community, as I did with this one.

Now do I think bumping should be baned?
No. It makes more sence just to bump an old post than to make a whole new topic.

Was my post old?
No.

Nobody has a problem with a post being bumped after a day or so if it hasn't garnered any responses. But under an hour or even after just a few hours is clearly ridiculous, even if your post happens to get pushed to another page. A forum is not a real-time venue. Most people reading Babble would have gone to the next page and found your post anyway. Bumping is only viable when your post is "old", as you put it--if a day or so has gone by and people have forgotten it. (Posting a reply with new information is another matter; people do that all the time.)

I know you said you only had a limited time in which to read any responses, but realistically you can't expect responses in that short a time anyway. Such a post could take several days for someone to get around to answering. If you've only got a short time on the computer, then make the post and check again when you have more time.

Did I make a mistake?
Yes.

Twice. Let us not forget this isn't the first time you've bumped a post or been asked not to.

Do I respect the rules?
Sorta.

No. You only obey direct commands from the forum moderators. There's a big difference.

Do I respect L.JR?
Sorta.

If there's any "yes" component in there, your actions haven't borne it out.

Well who do you think is cool?
Dracon, Foomer, Kappa, Any newbie who has taken flak for being new, Anyone who has taken flak and stood up, All newbies who dont quite know the terms but are brave enough to ask for help anyway, People who are what Dracon call "Ghetto", and People who ask why

I think Dracon's "ghetto" categorization was rather broad and poorly defined. But in general "ghetto" and cool don't go together.

About newbies taking flak for being new, I can only say that that's very rare. Generally nobody will look down on you for being new; everyone was new once. There are a few people (usually very young, immature types) who think if they've been around a month they're better than those who just arrived; I've seen very few of them in this community. Much more common, however, is for someone who's made a mistake (especially a trollish mistake) to confuse correction for persecution; when such a person is a newbie and is rebuked by someone who's not, they may mistakenly see it as being attacked for merely being new. That's what you're doing here.

You speak of newbies being brave for daring to ask for help, as if everyone who knows slightly more than they do just waits for an opportunity to pounce and put them down. That just isn't happening. But because you seem to think that being a newbie is why you're taking heat, all your perceptions are colored that way.

Taking flak and standing up is only something to be proud of if you're not taking it for a valid reason. You're confusing stubbornness with courage. If you've made a mistake, which you admit you've done, then accept that. People are a lot more forgiving of mistakes than of the attitude that only one or two people have the right to point them out.

Lummox JR

I actually admitted I had made a mistake........look above thus I was saying you were right I was wrong.