I hope L.JR scares us all. Cause he sure scares me.

Well, technically there's nothing binding anyone to be a part of BYOND just because they use the program. I'm still going to push to have Dreamseeker sepperated from the hub so that users don't have to have a link to it if they don't want to. Although, it wouldn't hurt to give Dreamseeker a button-link to BYOND.com, from where they could easily reach the hub, but I don't think the hub needs to be part of Dreamseeker itself.

I've said it before, but I'm embarassed to show people some of the things I've done using DM because they'd be likely to see all the crap on the hub. If Dreamseeker were sepperated from that, there wouldn't be a problem. It would be like telnet, where you type in where you want to go and it takes you there!

It's easy enough to visit the hub through a browser and join the games from the website, anyway...

(While I'd prefer to be extremely intelligent, I'd rather not be thought of as a snob. Just a perfectionist.)

1) The Stuck-Up Nerds who thinks they are better than everyone else. - Makes up roughly 6% of the BYOND population. Disses everyone and anything that people do, and only care about themselves and what they make.

I think I've got a fairly good idea of who you're targetting with this one, and I do think you're being very bitter. In reality, there are quite a few people who fall somewhere between #1 and #5 but don't actually fit either extreme.

2) The Whiners. - Makes up roughly 15% of the BYOND population. Whines constantly about When a game is going to be released or About getting PKed on a game.

I don't know many people who specifically fit this group, although I imagine there are more...

3) The Ghetto People. - Makes up roughly 55% of BYOND. Constantly spells things wrong, uses shortened words such as 'u', 'ur', or 'plz'.

This one might be overgeneralizing a bit (of course, I think that's supposed to be the point here).

4) The generally okay people. - Makes up roughly 21% of the BYOND population. These are usually the people who are generally nice to people, and just like to hang out.

I see nice people, and I see people who like to hang out, but I don't see much overlap.

In general, it's not a bad start, although it's not so much an objective census as a thinly veiled slight against people you don't like. For how few categories there are, they're vastly too specific, and trying to sort people along only one axis is never a very accurate representation; some developers might never play games and rarely talk alot (on pager, in-game, or on the forum), but other developers with very similar development patterns might play compulsively and constantly chat.

Every category will be too specific. You can't make categories without being too specific. Everyone is different. You'd have to make a new category for each person if you didn't want to be too specific.

Foomer makes up something like 0.032% of the population of BYOND.

Leftley makes up about 0.032% of the population of BYOND.

Wow, that's exciting. The whole point of categories is to generalize :oP

Foomer wrote:

Every category will be too specific. You can't make categories without being too specific. Everyone is different. You'd have to make a new category for each person if you didn't want to be too specific.

Foomer makes up something like 0.032% of the population of BYOND.

Leftley makes up about 0.032% of the population of BYOND.

Wow, that's exciting. The whole point of categories is to generalize :oP

You're mixing up specificity and generality. The problem is that so is Dracon. He has only five categories, which means that they should be around the largest five categories you can easily divvy up BYOND's population into, but instead he has two very small groups, two average but not particularly useful groups, and one friggin' huge group that would still be useful if split up into 2-4 separate subgroups.

Leftley likes to read into things.

Foomer wrote:

Or maybe a seperate version of BYOND that doesn't come with hub and pager included, for people who don't want people nagging them and who don't care about the hub. Although, that's probably more effort than it's worth to anyone else.

I've mentioned this to Tom in person and I might as well bring it up now. I wonder if people would pay for a "BYOND Pro" which essentially has the capability to disentangle itself from everything that makes BYOND a community, rather than just a programming tool/language. BYOND Pro would allow developers to get rid of the entire DreamSeeker interface (menus, Info/Text/Browser/Hub buttons, etc) and run only the map. No banners, no mention of byond.com if the developer so wishes.

What would be really slick (and perhaps necessary to make Pro viable) would be to allow developers to distribute their games as executables. The executable could be fairly simple, linking to system-wide DLLs to turn it into DreamSeeker and loading the game data. Theoretically, users who had previously installed a game created with BYOND Pro wouldn't have to install the BYOND DLLs again. And they wouldn't even know the game(s) had anything to do with BYOND. I'm not a Windows programmer, so I have no idea how feasible this would be (and it sounds like quite a bit of work, so maybe not). Of course, this does have the problem of tying itself to Windows, which I vigorously oppose, unless someone smarter than me could figure out how to create such executables for multiple operating systems.

Would you pay for something like this? How much? What else might be good for a BYOND Pro? I'm thinking nothing that gives it any extra language or system features over standard BYOND Free, just slicker interface/packaging capabilities, etc. Am I just nuts?

besides.. this is not a slam.. but there is nothing wrong with using "u", "ur" etc... I find this more techie speak than anything and represents a form of short notation writing for the internet. Though not appropriate for formal settings, for daily chit chat I see nothing wrong with people who do this. But it is a bit childess and wore out for those who have to type 3l33t. Its represents a whole other category.

LJR

LordJR wrote:

besides.. this is not a slam.. but there is nothing wrong with using "u", "ur" etc... I find this more techie speak than anything and represents a form of short notation writing for the internet. Though not appropriate for formal settings, for daily chit chat I see nothing wrong with people who do this. But it is a bit childess and wore out for those who have to type 3l33t. Its represents a whole other category.

LJR

it represents most likely if your asian and cs is your religion or you just take cs a sa religion uh oh im in the ghetto category for abbreviating >x<