Jul 6 2002, 8:25 pm
In response to Lesbian Assassin
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WildBlood
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Once again it will come to the question of does god mean what we all think it does? and why does it need to be a spirit, or a supernatural bieng who said it had to be?
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Why does a god need to be supernatural? how can anything BE supernatural if everything in the universe is natural? Cant something natural be a god? Look at it this way: What defines a god? It has to have powers very much beyond those of any mortal being. This god has to be able to either break, or have control over, the laws of physics--the laws of nature. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a god. Since the laws of nature are subserviant in some way to this god being, it must be supernatural, that is "above nature". -AbyssDragon | |
"Nope. It could be worshipped as one, but if you know the earth to be inert, inanimate, lacking sentience, etc., what would the point of such worship be? It will neither appreciate nor reward you for worship, nor even notice it.
We can appreciate and respect the earth, with the knowledge that it's nurtured our life, but if we know it is not alive, if we know it is inert, then we know it's not a god." Thats funny my parent are natural, i can worship them if i want, they gave me life, they raised me. The planet gave them life, and everyone before them, why cant it be a god? cause i know its there? and i know it wont care if i worship it or not? Yet people are beliving in a "supernatural entity" that they never seen or knows if it exists, just CAUSE they dont know it exist so there is the sightest possiblity that something might be lisening? | |
WildBlood wrote:
Once again it will come to the question of does god mean > what we all think it does? Yes, yes it does. "God" is a word in the English language. The word was created to describe an idea. The idea changes a little bit over time... not much, but a little bit. It's a pretty broad idea to begin with, so it doesn't have to change much. Whether the idea is right or not, doesn't change the fact that the word means what it means. If we prove there is no god, the word god will still have its meaning. and why does it need to be a spirit, or a supernatural That's part of the definition of god. If you don't believe there is a supernatural being and you don't believe there's any need for one (this seems to be the stable core upon which your beliefs are based), you are rejecting the broad idea which the word "god" represents. To call your own idea "god" is like if you find a democracy, overthrow it, institute a pure dictatorship, and call it democracy. Hey, how does anyone know that democracy means what they think it does? | |
WildBlood wrote:
"Nope. It could be worshipped as one, but if you know the earth to be inert, inanimate, lacking sentience, etc., what would the point of such worship be? It will neither appreciate nor reward you for worship, nor even notice it. Godhood is a matter of belief. It's not just that you know the planet won't care, you know it won't not care, you know it's not capable of caring. How do you worship something like this? What's the point of worshipping it? People who believe in a god believe that god cares, they believe the god is alive, aware, and sentient. They believe their worship makes a difference. They may or may not be right, but we're talking about beliefs here... not who's right and whose wrong. It's ridiculous to worship something if you know your worship doesn't make a difference one way or the other. It's not ridiculous to worship something if you think it does. | |
There's two problems with your theory: the way it's expressed, and the practice.
I've already explained at length and ad nauseum, why the word "god" cannot correctly be applied to an object that one believes to be inert and spiritless. That's the problem with the theory. You pigheadishly try to continue your theory by saying that the earth can be worshipped, even if we believe it's a dead thing. Well, that's a practice... imagine two slot machines in a casino. When you play a slot machine, you have no guarantee of winning and no guarantee of losing. Until you pull the lever, you just don't know. Now, imagine that you go to a casino. One is labeled, "This machine is out of order. Specifically, it never pays off. Any money you spend here, you will never see again. There is no jackpot. There is no prize. Thank you." The other is just a regular slot machine. Religious people are playing the regular slot machine... they don't know if they'll win or lose, but they know that they have a chance of winning. Atheists and agnostics aren't playing either machine... they'd rather hold on to what they have then risk it all for a payoff that may or may not be coming. Both sides have their positives and their negatives. You, though, you're playing the broken machine, and you know it. Anything you pay in, you're kissing goodbye for no good reason. The atheists and the religious folk, they can defend their practices. You can't really defend yours. You know you're playing a loser's game. | |
Date: before 12th century
www.m-w.com 1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind 2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality 3 : a person or thing of supreme value 4 : a powerful ruler There is your definition of GOD straight from the dictionary, Notice it doesnt say anything about supernatural, oddly it has 4 meanings, which one is real? a Ruler? a person of thing of supreme value? or of course number 2 the one that you keep stating, a bieng with powers that are alittle more then natural, but number 3 also says a object, hmm maybe a planet could be a god. Its of supreme value to all of us, its our home, or resource or air, are water our food, without it there woulda been no us. | |
God is needed to explain this since I don't really feel like spending my time making a better theory.
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Want to know what defines a god? We do, and i dont define it as supernatural, go here www.M-W.com, look up god, see what others define it as, you'll find that it doesnt have the singular definition everyone places on it.
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Sure thing, cap'n.
"1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind" This is the standard Judeo-Christian God (not yours). This is obviously supernatural, as it has the infinite power from my previous post. "2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality" Heh. Thanks for the definition. "3 : a person or thing of supreme value 4 : a powerful ruler" These are more of idiomatic ways to use "god" and not of any real use here. -AbyssDragon | |
Well, i really dont see the "Holy" slot machine paying out with anything but blood, yes, wars fought in the name of "GOD" crusades, people killed for thier bielif in god another one doesnt belive in. I havent seen or heard of any good payout from that machine, Maybe the nothingness of the broken machine would be better then the alternitive.
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Seriously, did you really read that definition? Anyway, this isn't really my argument (and its no longer interesting--semantics aren't worth debating) so I'm going to back out. Since it looks like Lesbian Assassin is doing the same thing, the argument is pretty much over. -AbyssDragon | |
No, I do not...
I really have tangible reason for not believing... I just have "faith" that there is no God...like any believer has faith that there is...lol I tend to subscribe to the popular scientific explanations of things in the universe... Big Bang, evolution, etc... I beleive that life has no meaning... I feel that it's one big, happy accident that we're even here in the first place... I believe that when I die, I will simply cease to exist... (of course, the matter that makes up my body will remain, but "I" will not...) I see religion as a sort of security blanket for those that are afraid of death... I myself am not afraid of dying... Of course I have no desire to die...but when the time comes, I'll have no problems with it... After all, if I no longer exist...I won't be able to miss living, now will I? I try to remain as respectful as possible of people of faith, though... I feel that faith and religion (including the lessons taught by the Bible) are good things for those that wish to have them... However, I also believe that organized religion is one of the worst things that has ever happened in the history of mankind... It has (either directly or indirectly) led to the vast majority of war and suffering and horrible crimes committed throughout the ages... The underlying principles and ideas are good...but the ways they have been manipulated for corrupt purposes have led me to have a strong dislike for organized religion and the types of zealous people (like you see on the 700 Club, for instance... or Jerry Falwell, for another example...) that tend to abuse it... | |
AbyssDragon wrote:
Sure thing, cap'n. "3 : a person or thing of supreme value hmm seemed to miss this one here look no mention of power, only a worth to the person that knows of it. 4 : a powerful ruler"no these are the defined words for god, by the people FOR the people. Thier meanings are exactly what they the word was made to be | |
No this argument just wont end how you and Lexy want it to, so instead you will walk away from it which i dont mind. It doesnt prove me right or wrong on what i have said. All it says is you dont care about the subject long enought to continue trying to downgrad what ive been trying to state here. So have a good night
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Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't I don't know why.
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...it is a special document of some sort, it doesn't I absolutely agree there - I inherited my mother's archeological traits, so I am always interested in ancient writings and cultures... | |
