Our jails provide criminals with education, training, writing tools and whatnot to give them an opportunity to make them out to be more productive parts of society.

Quit complaining about taxes, you barely see them. youd almost be completely oblivious to the % of your total money you fork out every cheque.

Taxes arent just to you, they are to everyone across the nation. and they pull in multiple billions of dollars.

Almost all, if not absolutely all governments would never reduce taxes, if they removed one system, theyd just add an extra 0 to their pay. So if you think your losing ANY money on extra criminals, you are soarly misguided.

Prisons must be made to be efficient correctional facilities, NOT GRAVEYARDS. If the government were to truly work on this issue and take the many dollars they do not personally deserve out of their own pockets collectively (which they have been imbezzling for decades) thered be absolutely no excuse for the death penalty.

The death penalty by law is the ultimate oxymoron
In response to OneFishDown
assisted suicide
In response to Dog Man
actually, you should have just waited till he tried something then tackle him and have her call the police
In response to Xooxer
Ok, I figured thats what it was. Trust me its not that. Ive slept with her like 20 times, and not once had any sort of sexual thoughts about her.

Oh yeah, just in case I havent mentioned it, Im also really against violence. I try to avoid violence when ever possible, and Im thankful that you actually give a crap about this sort of thing (Not many people do).
-DogMan
In response to Mechanios
What the hell is Timmy's?
In response to Kusanagi
im not arguing the point that its worse than death.

people dont pay much attention to it, but prisoners do have the right to NOT give their bodies to science.

So they are buried. that costs a hell of alot more than two years. sometimes even 5 years.

How much room do you think we have in cemetaries? alot less than the money we have in our pockets collectively.


and heres something else you have to think about.

You have your freedom, you take it for granted every single breath. You dont take the value of 2 years, let alone 5. Its a long time to rot in a cell. "Criminals" in general may get accustomed to this, but what about other people? will punishments just increase with the popularity of them?

No.. it stops here.
In response to Xooxer
true, sometimes violence is the only option.

when people just wont listen is pretty much the only time.

even then you still have the ability to limit the amount of damage
In response to Dog Man
there should be no need. but there is.

for example.

drug syndicates.
In response to Sariat
It's McDonald's for the woodchucks.


<<>>Kusanagi<<>>
In response to Dareb
Dareb wrote:
actually, you should have just waited till he tried something then tackle him and have her call the police

No, then Dog Man would have been arrested for assualting the guy, the guy would have been let go, and Dog Man's friend would have an even harder time getting police involved becuase of the complications cuased by this attack by Dog Man.

I would appreciate it if you didn't encourage people to engage in illegal activities, and I would suggest that noone actually put any of Dareb's psychotic ideas into practice.

~X
In response to Dareb
Dareb wrote:
true, sometimes violence is the only option.

Violence should never be considered your only option. If you feel it is, then perhaps you should re-evaluate the situation.

when people just wont listen is pretty much the only time.

Wrong again. The only time violence would be considered justified is if it would prevent loss of life. Even then, you will have to defend your actions in front of a judge or a panel of your peers. Excessive violence should be avoided at all costs. If someone attacks you, it doesn't give you the right to attack them. Where I live, if you are involved in a fight, even if you are defending yourself, then you are at fault as much as your attacker.

even then you still have the ability to limit the amount of damage

You can limit it by not inflicting it at all. Violence is a serious problem in our world. It's people like yourself that keep the flames of violence burning. You should really check yourself and your actions before you give advice.

I'll say it again: DO NOT take Dareb's advice to heart. He will only get you hurt, arrested or worse, killed.

~X
In response to Dareb
Dareb wrote:
there should be no need. but there is.

No, there is not.

for example.

drug syndicates.

Oh, please. Wake up and smell yourself, dude. You have some serious issues to deal with. I think you should seek proffessional help of the psychiatric veriety. If you're really so gung-ho about taking down the bad guys, why don't you join the military? Oh, that's right, they don't take psychopaths.

~X
Sariat wrote:
So a co-worker told me to keep the money she gave me. So I did. An extra 1.50 for me! Yeah!!!

Congratulations on joining the working force. However, I'd like to just point out that $1.50 is not worth the shame and humiliation associated with being fired.
In response to Xooxer
well if your right in how the police would respond, the only reasonable response would be to beat the living [edited by moderator] out of the man.

You DONT just sit there and watch people get injured, and you DONT let people get away from the scene of the crime. if you think otherwise you are wrong.
In response to Xooxer
i keep the flames of freedom burning. people think violence is bad simply because its done too much.

completely ending it is NOT the proper course of action, and i will never allow that
In response to Dareb
...and then the only right response for someone who comes along and sees you beating the guy is to jump in and beat you. After all, they don't know that the guy was following the girl, do they? They have a moral responsibility to stop you from hitting what they have to assume is an innocent man, don't they?

Don't worry, though... here comes the next group of "right-thinking" individuals around the corner as you're getting beaten...
In response to Dareb
completely ending it is NOT the proper course of action, and i will never allow that

As far as bold statements go, that's right up there with "ending gravity is NOT the proper course of action and I will never allow that." You know violence will never end completely, so you can safely make this statement, even though whether violence goes on has nothing to do with you, even though you're just one tiny drop in a huge ocean.

Still, violence is bad, and the fact that ridding the world of it is an impossible goal doesn't mean it's not one worth striving for. In striving to eliminate violence, we can at least reduce it, which is something worth, er, "fighting" for.
In response to Lesbian Assassin
illigalizing all violence is not logic. its insanity, and just an excuse to put more people in jail
In response to Skysaw
I think there's much more shame and humiliation in working at McDonalds than being fired from there. Or is it the other way around? Anyways, working at minimum wage is shameful and humiliating, which is why I don't work.
In response to Mertek
Mertek wrote:
I think there's much more shame and humiliation in working at McDonalds than being fired from there. Or is it the other way around? Anyways, working at minimum wage is shameful and humiliating, which is why I don't work.

Having a job at McDonalds may not be the paragon of glamor, but it beats the hell out of not having a job at all. Sariat takes home a paycheck -- you don't. I think he wins here.
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