In response to JimmyWimmy
Russia? China? Afganistan? Pakistan? That would be a very smart move! Lets bomb all our allies!!! :-\ All of those are American allies accept China, and China is at peace with the US, and do you want to know why we don't threaten China at all? Because they have the biggest, most brutal army in the world! Their technology isn't nearly as advanced, but starting a war with China is like starting a way with another America, and would for sure spark WWIII.


So your saying, you think we should bomb our allies too? Lets figure out the war strategy:

"Axis of Evil II":

Russia
China
Iraq
Iran
Pakistan
N. Korea
S. Korea
Afganistan
France
Spain
Saudi Arabia
Canada
Mexico
Venezuela
Panima
India
Austrelia
Turkey
Kuwait
Jordan
Yeman
Cuba
Argentina
Austria
Chad
Chile
Columbia
Czech Republic
Egypt
Israel
Italy
Lebenon
Libya
Yugoslavia
Germany


VS

"Allies":

US
England
Japan


(And during middle of war, Japan and England surrender and join the "Axis of Evil II" for fear of getting a major butt-kicking.)


See a problem with bombing not only our enemies, but our semi-friends and friends too?


I say we just stick to Iraq, and try to negotiate with N. Korea.

I do want to see the monsterous Moab bomb going off in Baghdad.
In response to Gughunter
Also the Ukraine, for they used to be part of the soviet union, and they made most of the soviet's nukes. I suspect other countries that were eaten off of Russia have nuclear bombs too.
In response to Air Mapster
I would much rather know what they actually have, rather than just be told what they have is capable of mass destruction. I wanna know HOW massive.
In response to JimmyWimmy
I compleay agree! The media only covers the anti-war protesters (the minory). I rember the paper last week Schools across the island protest yadayadaya. Only One school protested. more then 80% of the schools are pro-war.
In response to Jotdaniel
The U.S. evidence in support for war is very weak. The only reason that war is even a debate in the U.N. right now is that the U.S. has the economy and "power" to pursue inefficient and wasted efforts for their own gain. No other country in the world today could be so stubborn, I don't believe.

-Dagolar
Siientx wrote:
What has this world come too?

Why could the world be like old days? Bush steps onto an open alley between two rows of buildings. where dust flys. Tumbleweeds roll. And then they both draw their guns and fire. But no. Time has changed. We are constantly finding new things. Advanced things as they say. Then the next gets jealous. War. What surprises me is that war can spark so fast. Two men stumble across $100 bucks on the road. They both go to grab it and rip it in two when pulling it up. They both get into a fist fight. Next day both the men gather their gang, each one not knowing the other had a gang as well. And went to attack. Then the police get in it. It turns into a war. Not a war like today. More commonly known as a street war. But it is an example. Yet another thing that questions me is, What did we do to them? i have not a clue. But we cannot stop war. The only advice i give bush is to not play childish games, Do not let iraq set up their army and then USA set up theirs, Then go at it, This is not clash. But what i recommend is that Bush goes now and use what they got. A surprise attack. Well. Anyway. The point of this is to say Dooms-Day is coming. Sooner then you think. Not by a unknown force. But by us.

Thanks for your time.

Siientx

yeah it is dooms day, i dont really like bush, hes trying to be the toughest man in the world by having the most oil. He wants to rule the world, you watch as time goes you you
ll find another hittler...(BUSH)..hope the world wins this fight when it happens thou.
In response to SuperSaiyanGokuX
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
The world isn't any worse off now than it has ever been...

War is a constant in human history... As long as there have been humans on the Earth, there has been war... It's our nature to fight and to be greedy, plain and simple...

Granted, with all of our "progress" towards more and more destructive weaponry, greater lives are at risk due to war...but the underlying force of war has always been with us, and will always be with us...

i disagree, the human part isnt any worse but the world part is alot bad, the whole climat is changing, every thing is collapsing, i say in fifty or fourty years we wont have a blue sky, and id say we wont be able to see the sun, thats when we will be extinct.
I kind of like the htreads like this, you get to see who the informed members of the BYOND community are, and who are horribly mis-informed =)
In response to OneFishDown
OneFishDown wrote:
I kind of like the htreads like this, you get to see who the informed members of the BYOND community are, and who are horribly mis-informed =)

hmm yeah, id say im one of the mis informed :( but thats because im not even in america or us, im in a small small tiny tincy country called new zealand (the country where the americas cup is held now).
In response to Kunark
Kunark wrote:
Also the Ukraine, for they used to be part of the soviet union, and they made most of the soviet's nukes. I suspect other countries that were eaten off of Russia have nuclear bombs too.

Ah yes, I forgot about the Ukraine. I knew Kazakhstan had divested itself of nuclear weapons, though.

Lummox JR
In response to Gughunter
Also of note: Canada, while not actually possessing any nuclear weapons, has the technology and skilled personnel necessary to construct them as needed.
In response to Wanabe
Hey I hand it to the New Zealanders. From what I understand, New Zealand is the one country that had an embargo placed on it because it would not allow the U.S. to move nuclear weapons into its territory back in the mid-20th century. New Zealand survived fine without the U.S., like Cuba, and I hand it to any country to tell the world's arrogant super power to take a hike.

-Dagolar
In response to Spuzzum
Spuzzum wrote:
Also of note: Canada, while not actually possessing any nuclear weapons, has the technology and skilled personnel necessary to construct them as needed.

Like they'd ever use em' anyway ;).
In response to Wanabe
50 years might be an exaggeration, but maybe not. Who knows. Nobody can tell. What bothers me the most is that your point has some warning to it, but we continue to consistently act with skepticism.

Global temperature has risen quite a bit over the last several decades, but hey, it might be natural, right?

Icecaps are melting faster than any climatological report has ever spoken of. It's natural, we aren't responsible.

It's going to take a crisis situation for people to finally figure it out,"Crap. I guess we have made a bit of a boo boo on the Earth. Well...time to clean up!"

Lame...

-Dagolar
In response to Xzar
Who said more than 80% of schools are pro-war? And why are they pro-war? Are they pro-war because they watch American CNN news? That's a good source for educated opinion generating....my god.

-Dagolar
In response to Ebonshadow
Many countries have the capability of producing nuclear weapons. But why the hell bother? See, here in Canada, we've taken it upon ourselves to reduce our military expenditure to a whopping $800 million for the 2003-4 fiscal year. Their reason - money is being diverted to healthcare. That $800 million is going to the Canadian Armed Forces.

We have the capability, but not the "money".

-Dagolar
In response to Ebonshadow
Like they'd ever use em' anyway ;).

Actually, I do have a very minor nagging feeling in the back of my skull that if Canada felt pressured, it would use a nuclear weapon. I have another very minor feeling that Canada does actually have a nuclear complement hidden away somewhere -- it's not something I would put beyond Chretien (who isn't much better than Houssein in my opinion).
In response to Lummox JR
The "threat" from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction is a propoganized statement to sway supporters. All I can say is, if anyone listens to both sides of the argument, listens to the news (in and out of your own country), looks up BOTH sides of the argument on the internet, sees the recently occurring events, I think the case for war is becoming increasingly unjustified, regardless of whether or not Suddam is actually a threat.

I have no dispute with anyone that the Iraqi leader is a monster and needs to be kept in check. I don't believe the U.S. performing a unilateral invasion of the country is a justified solution to the problem.

-Dagolar
In response to Spuzzum
Oh please. Chretien and Hussein are two very different leaders. They have different ethics, run a different regime, and Chretien has done good and bad in Canada. He's not a murderous tyrannt, and he's going to retire peacefully. The two simply cannot be compared.

If you meant it as a joke, okay. ha ha. I get it.

-Dagolar
In response to Dago
yeah...they survived fine without us... communism and almost starting a nuclear holocaust is doing fine...we all know what communism does.
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