I'm going to use the long weekend to start work on some new reviewer functionality, so now is your chance to provide input:
- What information would make the review process more useful to you?
- What would you like to see added or changed about the review process?
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 May 24 2003, 10:31 am
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This might be hard, but I think there should be some kind of Filtering system. Anything that could TRY and help stop Zeta/DWQ rips, and Adult games. Last night alone I saw 2 hentai games. I know there was just a big post about this, and someone just posted a great Idea for dantom. But I just think, if anything seems wrong about a game, you guys should totally DELETE the hub entry.
Just a suggestion, its obviously not possible to stop every rip....theres too many. | |
Airjoe wrote:
This might be hard, but I think there should be some kind of Filtering system. Anything that could TRY and help stop Zeta/DWQ rips, and Adult games. Last night alone I saw 2 hentai games. I know there was just a big post about this, and someone just posted a great Idea for dantom. But I just think, if anything seems wrong about a game, you guys should totally DELETE the hub entry. I don't have any good ideas for how to implement this at the moment. We want to allow unreviewed games to show up, since that's an important part of the development process. We don't have a good way to detect the nature of a game. We could guess based on the title, but that's error-prone and easily worked around. | |
There is one problem with this: freedom of speech. If anyone wants to make a Zeta rip, they can, though it will probably not get accepted... I feel that there should be a BYOND.Adult and BYOND.Unpublished.Adult category for those games carrying language/graphics that have a sexual appeal, Unpublished.Adult would be like unpublished games, except when you make the hub entry, it would ask if you had sexual content in your game, and if you chose yes, it would go to Unpublished.Adult insted of Unpublished. BYOND.Adult would be for the games that are reveiwed, accepted, and have adult content.
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Airjoe wrote:
Like I said, It's probobly not going to be easy. Just a suggestion. One approach we could take is to allow someone to self-classify their game as DBZ, sexual content, etc., and then we could have those show up in separate areas, or only if you want to see that kind of game. | |
The only thing that would make BYOND look worse than having games with sexual content on the unpublished games page, is having a blatent section for them. It would basically be saying "Hey, we have porn games too! Isn't that cool?"
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I think deadron's trying to say that people can kind of self-filter there own Hubs. So maybe they don't wanna see any DBZ or porn games. Then they'd have there own section FOR THAT USER. BYONDgames.Stuffyoudon'twannasee :-P
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I guess you're right, but that was *not* my intention...my intention was to filter out the games that younger people do not wish to see....
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No. Freedom of speech does *not* apply here. Anyone using the Hub is automatically subject to whatever speech policies Dantom enforces upon them. For example, this forum is only a subset of free speech -- you're allowed to say pretty much anything you want, but things that are overly hateful, racist, offensive, obscene, or vulgar are not tolerated.
Let me explain with an example: the Ku Klux Klan is protected, by law, so that they can freely and openly speak their beliefs -- because of almost inevitable hostility towards them, the government is even mandated to place a police force in close proximity to protect them. But if the Ku Klux Klan stepped into my living room, and I told them to get off of my property before I kicked their butts, then they would have to go -- otherwise they'd be trespassing on my personal property, and anything I did in the defence of my property would be justifiable. I wouldn't be allowed to shoot them, of course, but if I had to grab them by their necks and throw them onto the street, I would have every right. In other words, in public you can say anything you want. If you sat in the middle of the street and started saying hate speech, you could get away with it (provided, of course, that you didn't obstruct traffic and that you didn't verbally assault any individual -- if I was a cop, I'd be happy to write a citation like that for someone making hate speech in the middle of the road). But as soon as it enters onto someone's non-government property, it is no longer free speech: it's slander, and legally you could get arrested for it. To boil it all down, the BYOND server and all of its related content are Dantom's property, so offending Dantom gives Dantom Intl. (more appropriately, any of its representatives) full and complete discretion over terminating or restricting your use of that property. | |
If there was an option for viewing adult content or no, it would probably be better if it was an opt-in system; you don't see 'em unless you specifically say so. If you say nothing about it, the existence of that content is completely invisible to you.
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In light of one of the suggestions below (and the associated problems with implementing it), perhaps there could be a "Report" link added to every unpublished game's page... This would notify a reviewer (or a HUB moderator, if the position were created) that that particular game was seen as offending some "rule"...and from that raised flag, the reviewer/moderator could investigate and make the call...
See a game "rip" on the HUB (or something with questionable material, or a seller of fraudulent goods, or any of the other various complaints that always trickle onto the boards)? Click the "Report" link to nofity a reviewer directly of the problem, and allow them to take appropriate actions as they see fit after they check it out... The benefit of this is that the players themselves do the hunting for you... No need to keep tabs on all incoming entires, you only need to mop up after a problem is spotted... Of course, this leaves the door open for abuse (players "spamming" the reviewers with "prank" reports, players taking out personal grudges against one another by reporting their enemies with no reason but malice, etc) but I think that in the end, the majority will be more responsible with it, and the fools can be ignored easily... In fact, each report should include the key of the one making the report... Under normal circumstances, this info is ignored by the reviewer as irrelevant, but in the case of abuse, proper actions can be taken against the abuser... If someone repeatedly reports an entry that has been previously deemed acceptable, that person is obviously abusing the system, and they can be dealt with... | |
Sounds like you've put some thought into this! HEHEHEHEHEHE, good idea indeed. But, I still think that the immaturity in BYOND still out weighs the intelligent society by just a wee bit. So, Nadrew, Deadron and the other reviewers would most likely be getting spammed by people with "Extra" Keys, etc...But still, all in all a great idea that could be further explored.
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SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
In light of one of the suggestions below (and the associated problems with implementing it), perhaps there could be a "Report" link added to every unpublished game's page... This would notify a reviewer (or a HUB moderator, if the position were created) that that particular game was seen as offending some "rule"...and from that raised flag, the reviewer/moderator could investigate and make the call... This is a good idea. | |
Spuzzum wrote:
I wouldn't be allowed to shoot them, of course, but if I had to grab them by their necks and throw them onto the street, I would have every right. Actually, if you have a legal gun, and they're on your property without permission, and you tell them to get off, and they don't, you have the right to shoot them. The only reason I know this is because my dad has a pistol and a pistol permit. You can even shoot them if you don't know who they are, and you don't tell them to leave. They're tresspassing, and you have the right to protect your property. | |
First, Canada only has rifle laws, pistols are pretty much banned. Second, Canada's laws on the subject are way stricter, and not as "giving" as the ones in the U.S.
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Airjoe wrote:
Actually, if you have a legal gun, and they're on your property without permission, and you tell them to get off, and they don't, you have the right to shoot them. The only reason I know this is because my dad has a pistol and a pistol permit. You can even shoot them if you don't know who they are, and you don't tell them to leave. They're tresspassing, and you have the right to protect your property. I pity the fireman or paramedic who responds to a call on your property. | |
You still have judgement whether to shoot them or not. If your house is burning down, you gunna go pull out a gun and shoot a fireman? If your [family member] has a heart attack, and you see an ambulance pull up in your drive way and come in your house, you gunna shoot them? No. Its Judgement. If you wake up in the middle of the night because you heard the door close. Are you gunna go downstairs and check it out? And when you see a guy dressed in black with a mask on, are you gunna say "My wife just had a stroke! Please save her!"? No, you gunna shoot his ass.
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Gameplay
Originality
Sound
Graphics
Just plain ol' fun
This should be readily avaliable. Maybe on the games listing?