6'2 and 200lbs of muscle huh?

Do you have a fancy sports car to go with that too? stop lieing.

GokuDBZ3128 wrote:

Xooxer you speak before you even know the answers.

GokuDBZ3128 wrote:

I work two jobs, actually, on top of all that stuff I have. Okay? I probably work and are more active then you.

Uh huh.

You study in school, you play football, baseball, and you wrestle, and have one/two jobs as spare time activity. Good for you.

You then proceed to call Xooxer ignorant, and support that argument by the fact that since you spend a lot of time not doing nothing, you must have a hard life.

Don't get me wrong, I spend a lot of time not doing nothing too. I go to school, I work as a DJ, I spend time programming, I help host some of the larger parties in Denmark, I do web design for a company. I have almost no free time, part of the reason my relationships don't happen to last. Does that mean I have a hard life, by any measure, at all? Absolutely not. I live a golden life, compared to millions of others. I don't have to get up each morning and go through strenous physical labour to get enough money to put meager amounts of food on the table for my family. I don't have to deal with threats of possible eviction or even the thought of being homeless. Nor do I have to worry that if I happen to break a leg, strain my back or some such, that food just won't be magically appearing on the table.

Wake up, Goku. You do NOT live the hard life, and you aren't going to convince anyone here you do. The fact that you can't even grasp what Xooxer is talking about, is proof enough. No one here can dispute or tell you that you aren't working to the "best of your ability" within your environment, or that you are a "good school kid" or whatever. But your lack of understanding in this area clearly shows that you haven't experienced what he is talking about. I haven't either, but I understand it very well, and were it not for my sister who took me in would have been in that situation right now.

This isn't a flame, nor a bash to your ego, or whatever. Im simply of the opinion that you should drop it.

Please, do not ever make up stories like that. You don't know anything about me. Damn, I would hate to have everything handed to me, people like that, I have no respect for. None.

No, and likewise you know absolutely nothing of Xooxer or his experience in the world. Based on age and his comments in this thread alone, I'd say its a great deal more. You ARE getting everything handed to you, and theres not a great deal wrong with that. Parents who can afford to supply their children with a good education, sports activities, training fascilities and such are in absolutely no "wrong" for doing so. The wrong comes from the attitude. Try figuring out how much of your life you pay for compared to your parents at some point. Count everything. Toilet paper, toothpaste, school tuition, transport(if they drive simply to drive you to school, the fuel that costs), the cost of a single room rented in a house or apartment like you live in, how much money you eat for each month (breakfest, lunch, everything).

I think you'd be surprised. I know I was, when I found that working about 20 hours a week ontop of school I had a food budget of roughly $3 to $4 a day and nearly no spare money for anything, at all, had I moved into an apartment I was considering.

Just food for thought.

Just to clarify to everyone, there aren't many people who can tell you the hard facts of life better than Xooxer.

Xooxer didn't convince anybody that he's had a hard life with his posting... people who know him know what he's gone through, and so we know that he knows what he's talking about.

Here's a newsflash: nobody who's able to participate in three extracurricular sports, go to private school, and volunteer time at a doctor's office or clinic has what qualifies as a hard life.

Those activities are demanding, yes. They are strenuous, yes. They are time consuming, yes. This isn't what anybody else is talking about, though! What would happen if you cut back on wrestling? Would you starve? Would you be out on the streets? Facing parental disapproval, if you'd even face that, doesn't quite cut it here.

You have the leisure and the privelige to be able to spend your time on these things. They aren't what qualifies as a hard life. The more you try to insist that your life is hard... the more you're only going to convince people that you're arrogant and spoiled.

I simply stated an opinion and all of you went berserk. > You have the tendency to do that. I have no idea why.
But, Xooxer, you had no reason to bash me. That was uneccessary considering I never ever insulted or even directly spoke towards you. It was ridiculous what you said and what you called me. That is all I am going to say.

Please, wise way the heck up. Read your posts. You were no more or less "simply stating an opinion" than anyone else was, and your responses were no more or less berserk. You obviously put a lot of emotional investment in your opinion, which makes you 1) state them rather baldly in a way that ends up insulting a lot of people (you did this from the beginning, go read your first posts with a neutral eye) and 2) extremely defensive, which makes you react negatively to opposing opinions.

If you're going to be so extremely biased as to say "When I talk passionately, it's an opinion. When everyone else does it, they're going berserk!"... then you probably should refrain from public discourse.

I'm glad to see this conversation has settled down a bit. Hopefully we can keep it that way. Thanks!

I think I'll start the way another person started to a topic I once posted in arrogance, by going against the main grain here and congratulating you. You are obviously not an idiot, you speak eloquently (even if you do damn God a lot) and you have a good moral sense.

I'm glad you enjoy helping people, the world needs more like you. Don't deny, though, that it makes you feel good. It may not be the main drive that keeps you going back, but it's definetly a factor. To deny that is to deny yourself.

However, as was pointed out, things are handed to you. To say that your father's hard work does not benefit you is a bold-faced lie. You may work two jobs, volunteering at one, but they afford you nothing of real material value.

GokuDBZ3128 wrote:

And what is with the "rich little kid" comments. It's not insulting, that is kind of complementing someone, and insulting yourself.

Calling someone a rich little kid isn't an insult. You misread our words. I called you a spoiled brat whos had everything handed to him on a silver platter. If you're offended, then it must be true.

And you don't think I've done more then you and Xooxer?

I won't go into my past. If you're curious, shop around the forum and the web. I'm the only Xooxer out there I know of and my life is an open book. I will tell you, though, that I have done more, seen more and gone through more in 10 years than you have in your entire, short life.

I don't expect you to know the details, to know me personally or my plights, but you should realize that people like me exist, and we do get offended when some pretty-boy jock tells us we aren't applying ourselves or having a positive enough attitude, and that's why our lives are crap, as you have so eloquently done.

This whole sub-topic was never really about how much you do, how many activities you're involved in or how many jobs you hold. It was about how life more often than not, hands you a pile of crap for your hard work, and that not everyone wins in the end. By your own words you have proven that you have no idea what that's like. Telling us about your sports car, private school, band, pretty-boy looks, and all makes you look like a snobbish brat when you tell us that Jermman's grandfather must not be applying himself enough towards finding a job.

The simple fact of the matter is you'll probably never know what that's like. I do envy your posh lifestyle, and just because you choose, yes, choose to take on two jobs, three sports activites, school and a band, doesn't give you the right to put down some poor kids grandad because he can't afford such luxuries.

What you have that a lot of people do not is worth more than all the money in the world. You have loving parents, a family to support you. Not all of us are so blessed. You should stop denying your lot in life and enjoy it, because there's no garuntee whatsoever that it will last. I believe that was the main topic of discussion, by the by.

And do you think I care about being rich? Guess what? I don't! I payed for everything I own.

I don't believe this in the slightest. Without that money, you would have nothing but a dead-end job. You want to be a nerosugeon? Excellent, good for you. That's not a cheap goal a part-time waiter can afford for himself, is it?

My parents want to buy me things sometimes but I refuse. I've been trying to go on my own since I was 13. It's time to grow up. Don't call me a "little rich kid" because that is just seriously low. Very, very low.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? To many of us here, you are a little kid. You may be 17, but we've been there and done that. You don't even become a legal adult for another year, or so. According to the law, you are a kid. And you can't deny the fact that you are financially well-off, rich. You've stated it yourself. In fact, you brought it up. You've shoved it in our faces as proof of your hard life. Let me tell you something, you wouldn't know a hard life if it bit you.

Definitely showes me what class you're in. That is all based on jealousy and you cannot deny that. Everytime someone says they have money they get insulted. Because of jealousy, otherwise, nobody would care. You shouldn't care.

Oh, but I so disagree, my friend. We should care. We do care, especially when the same person puts us little poor people down for not working hard enough for what little we have. Not everyone lucks out in life like your dad did. Some people die trying. Others are crushed by people like your associates trying to make it to the top. Some of us win, most of us lose. To say we aren't trying hard enough is so damned insulting, it would probably make me sick, if I wasn't already.

Am I effecting you in anyway? No. Not at all. How can you say Xooxer's been through a lot more then me? Are you sure of that? I'm not. Neither is he. Don't make asumptions about people you don't even know. Let me guess, you "think" you know Xooxer cause you talk to him Online? What's with the subject title? Is Xooxer supposed to be some kind of God? He's a normal person just like everyone else.

Beggin' your pardon, I am god. I am the friggin' messiah come to wreak horrible vengence on those unworthy enough to not appreciate what they have, to disavow their good fortune, and to put others down as lazy because we aren't so lucky. People here know me becuase quite a number of them are my friends, and I openly discuss my life with them because they are who they are.

I have no reason to lie about being me, in fact, if I were to lie, I could come up with a worse life, or a better one. You don't have to beleive anything anyone says ever, but you'd be a sad, lonely man in the end. Just because we are communicating via the internet does not mean we are liars, braggards and glory hogs. Yes, the net does breed such abominations, but not all of us are so shallow.

And it says "Did you just insult Xooxer?" Newflash buddy, he insulted me first. He had the nerver to enter the conversation and try to prove me wrong by insulting, but failed miserably. Now you start, and also failed. You cannot compare to how much I study and work. There is no way you can compare.

**NewsFlash** buddy, you insulted me first. I just returned the favor. You may not have called my name out and said "Hey, this bastard is a lazy scumbag who's not positive or hard-working enough to succeed in life!", but you came damn close. What really got me, though, is how you could put down Jermman's grandfather.

I failed? Jermman failed? Hedgemistress failed? Really? How so? You have proven nothing to us that we didn't already know. You've only solidified the fact that you are a snobbish brat, and no amount of bench-pressing or guitar strumming or volunteerism is going to reverse that. We don't even care that you have money, a brat is a brat, rich or poor. It's your attitude that we don't like, not your wallet.

It is really pathetic. You are the ones who are nerds, sitting there, crying about how low class you are. Not me. I never said a damn thing till' now and you brought this on yourselves. There's no way around it.

You also wouldn't know pathetic if it poked you in the eye. No one here is crying, no one stated their class. For all you know, we are better off than you. Heck, I know I am. I can't compete with your father, sure, but you're as low-class as they come. You don't even have a full-time job. By the way, what's your tax bracket? Yeah, thought so.

You managed YET AGAIN to turn a nice subject into a flame war. It is always the oldbies who argue about people doing it who start it. You for some reason have not realised this yet. If you've noticed, the oldbies, a majority of them, are 20x more immature then the newbies. The newbies should be the ones insulting YOU. It's pathetic, really. Insulting people over the net. I am only doing this to defend myself while you idiots had to start this damn thing. Use commen sense and logic.

We don't insult people we don't know without provication. You have done that in just about every post you've made here. This was never a nice subject. It was about waking up to the reality of the world and seeing for one brief moment through someone else's eyes.

Darkdemonrad was trying to be helpful and informative, giving his account of how his life has taken a sudden, drastic, and totally unexpected turn for the worse. He was trying to warn us not to disillusion ourselves, to keep our eyes open and aware of what's happening around us. You blantantly insulted not only him, but everyone who's worked hard, lived hard, and still lost. Life isn't about being positive, it's about living your life the best you can. Some people end up driving sports cars, most end up in caskets.

Show some friggin' empathy, tact and grace. Consider other people's feelings, and stop with the almighty attitude. You're not impressing anyone with your jolly mirth.

~X

RaeKwon wrote:

I believe everyone is forgetting that we are the baby boomers...

Eep! Nobody is forgeting Raekwon, but you are misinformed. You are not a baby boomer. Your parents, and the people who are retiring are.

See, after world war II, GI Joe came home from europe, and was so happy to see his wife, expressed himself so eloquently, and so often, that they had a kid. Nine months later, he took one look at that new baby and thought, "Man, I just about died out there." That baby looked so wonderful, and healed something inside him just to look at it. So they had another.

The economy took off like a rocket. All those tank and airplane factories switched over to making Chryslers and ovens. You know what else? Joe got a big raise, AND a promotion. They marked the special occasion each time with another baby.

Wham bam, and lickety split, every tom dick and harry have a bunch of babies. Times were booming. The babies were baby boomers.

These kids had it easy(er). Economic growth was so crazy, and Joes' generation was small, due to the great depression(when they were born) and due to many deaths in the war, that the baby boomers shot right up the ranks as they entered the workforce.

The youngest of Joes kids didnt have it so easy though. His older brothers and sisters took all the good jobs, and by the early sixties, when s/he entered the job market, the going was gettin' tough. The tail end of the baby boomers, and the kids of the older boomers are called generation X.

Chances are, you arent part of this group either.

Now the baby boomers just didnt(couldnt) have as many children as Joe and his wife. Things had changed. The first kids of the baby boomers are called the bust generation, because they were a smaller group, and were born into the 70's, with the OPEC oil crisis, and other hard times. In Canada, they had Trudeau and the NEP<much gnashing of teeth>.

You might be part of this generation.

The baby busters entered the work force in the eighties to nineties, and things were much brighter, and as a result, their children are called the echo generation, because they echo the baby boomers in size, but smaller, and the era they were born into echoes the economic boom of post world war two.

It sounds like you are part of this generation, and yes, in ten years, jobs will be plentiful for you, even more so than now. I believe the world will be in good hands.

[for everyone else]

Now as for the forty year old working in a fast food restaurant, please, everyone, show them some sympathy. They are smack dab in the middle of generation X, and didnt really stand a chance.

Mom and Dad Joe, and the older kids got the better jobs, and held onto them until Joe retired. The older kids took Joes old job, and the bust generation matured right into the mid level positions in the eighties, leaving poor gen X in the cold once again. In ten years, the echo'ers will step up and gen X will quietly retire, never having missed a chance, because they didnt really have one(as a whole).

By the way, I am part of the baby bust generation. Different countries experienced different sizes and lengths of the baby boom. America had a large boom, Canada's was smaller, but longer. Austrialia had one two, but it was smaller yet, and even longer. Europe was trashed, and really had no boom after the war.

Good night!

GokuDBZ3128 wrote:

Do you think it was easy? No, no way.

Do you think I believe you? No, no way.

I dont believe this is a "retarded" subject at all, but rather us all trying to point out to you that, you dont have a hard life. ALot of people here have experienced much more than you, and alot of people here have made valid points against your argument that you have a hard life. As hedgemistress said, Just because you have time to indulge in sports like wrestling and football or whatever it was, doesnt mean you have a hard time.

Playing sports on the side and then complaining that you dont have enough time in your life is very babyish, its like saying you cant go buy your family food because you want to go play football instead.

When you have to work on the side while LIVING WITH YOUR PARENTS while going to school, to support yourself, then you can say you have a hard time.