In response to AZA
Roooaaaar!

Yeah, ok, I'm cool now ^^

~Kujila
In response to Kujila
You could, but you'd face stiff competition from all the other ISPs out there that market towards white culture. You know... AOL, Earthlink, MSN, etc. They cater to their perceived customer base, the majority of which is white. What would your hypothetical ISP offer that would really differentiate itself from those other services?

Oh, I know they don't say anything on their pages about being marketed towards white culture... but how often do you see an ice cream parlor saying "NOW FEATURING VANILLA!" or a generic fast food stand that say "YES, WE HAVE HAMBURGERS!" You know that an ice cream parlor will offer vanilla and you know that, unless the name of the restaurant emphasizes another food type, the fast food stand will serve hamburgers. If you like vanilla ice cream and hamburgers, then you don't need to look for a big sign telling you "Yes, this place caters to your tastes."

Or to put it another way... do you see something unfair or suspicious in the fact that you don't see buildings bothering to advertise that they're also accessible to the non-handicaps or a university brochure proudly proclaiming the percentage of their writing desks that are right handed? Of course not. Right handed people are the majority, the "default" assumption, and so they know they can expect their needs to be taken care of. There's nothing "Leftist" (hee hee) about a university rule requiring a fixed percentage of desks to be set up for left handed students.
In response to Loduwijk
Loduwijk wrote:
Pagemaster wrote:
It was only 40 years ago dont tell me there are more black racists then white ones.And a Black racist wouldnt hate you for your color they would hate white people because of thier history unlike a white racist who would hate you simply because your black. Anyways,How would you know?,Your just telling me something from your point of view your probably not even black so you would have an even lower possibility of running into some white racist. i am sure i've been called a nigger by some angry white kid many more times then you have been called whatever black people call you.

Wrong, I have had black people hate me just because I am white.

Exactly, they would hate you because you're white and they remember what you're people did.
It is a fact that the majority of people are no longer racist (and you would be hardpressed even to prove that most people were even in the 19th century, as it was not an age where everyone was racist as many would have you believe).

Well isnt that obivious?, who told you i thought everyone was racist. I am just trying to tell you theres more white racists then black ones.
And i have met many more racist whites then blacks. Wouldnt you think i have a less possiblity of encountering a black racists/ you meeting a white one.Thats only where you have been you havent been all over the country.

No, not all over the country; but I have been to a good portion of it. As I have pointed out in past posts, I have been to many places and met thousands of people. I have been out of my country and around around nearly half of mine. And it's not only my observation anyway, it's the observation of many of us who want and end to it on all sides.

But what you dont seem to recognize is that you're observations' are from a "white persons point of view". Obiviously, you would pick up more black racists then white ones in your life.
"while they are like that today". I'am sorry i dont remember my race enslaving whites for over almost 4 centuries.

That does not give them the right to be racist today.

Why not?, just enslave people for a couple of hundred years. then expect them to forget...OK. You act as if your people are so kind and no better then not to be racist. They're perfect arent they?.
whats funny is you have a problem with with blacks having a history of 'Whining' as if we took your life and your childrens life and owned them. I'd love to see how your people would act if they were enslaved for 400 years.

"My people" would probably be upset about those 400 years, but I would hope they don't hate the descendents of the people who did it in that time.

Yea right, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, what you would want and what would happen are too different things. I see on the news every day white cops shooting black men for the stupidest reasons.
If i threw a stone at you, i wonder if you would 'whine'.

No, I wouldn't whine, rather I would punch you. Blacks had every right to do that back in the day.

Ok buddy i would to see you as a black person punch the white guy who threw a rock at you. You would be would be jumped, beaten more, and maybe even hanged. Did'nt youever watch the videos at school?.

However, I would hope my children do not hate your children for your rock throwing.

You're just saying that because you're trying to defend the stoners' decendents' which we are using as an example for what you're ancestors' did.
In response to Pagemaster
Pagemaster wrote:
Loduwijk wrote:
Pagemaster wrote:
It was only 40 years ago dont tell me there are more black racists then white ones.And a Black racist wouldnt hate you for your color they would hate white people because of thier history unlike a white racist who would hate you simply because your black. Anyways,How would you know?,Your just telling me something from your point of view your probably not even black so you would have an even lower possibility of running into some white racist. i am sure i've been called a nigger by some angry white kid many more times then you have been called whatever black people call you.

Wrong, I have had black people hate me just because I am white.

Exactly, they would hate you because you're white and they remember what you're people did.

You're assuming that. You've assumed and generalised a lot in your two posts in this thread.
That's a bad thing to do.

It is a fact that the majority of people are no longer racist (and you would be hardpressed even to prove that most people were even in the 19th century, as it was not an age where everyone was racist as many would have you believe).

Well isnt that obivious?, who told you i thought everyone was racist. I am just trying to tell you theres more white racists then black ones.

And that's already been cleared up in this thread- statistically, there are bound to be more white racists than black ones in America, because there are more white people in America than black. (And no, I'm not saying that all white people are racist, then.)


And i have met many more racist whites then blacks. Wouldnt you think i have a less possiblity of encountering a black racists/ you meeting a white one.Thats only where you have been you havent been all over the country.

No, not all over the country; but I have been to a good portion of it. As I have pointed out in past posts, I have been to many places and met thousands of people. I have been out of my country and around around nearly half of mine. And it's not only my observation anyway, it's the observation of many of us who want and end to it on all sides.

But what you dont seem to recognize is that you're observations' are from a "white persons point of view". Obiviously, you would pick up more black racists then white ones in your life.

And what you seem to not reconise is your observations are from a "black person's point of view".
Obviously, *you* would find more white racists than black racists- simply because white racists are going to be racist towards you, and you aren't seeing the black racists being racist, because it isn't towards you.

You should reconise things more when they aren't just pointed towards you.


"while they are like that today". I'am sorry i dont remember my race enslaving whites for over almost 4 centuries.

That does not give them the right to be racist today.

Why not?, just enslave people for a couple of hundred years. then expect them to forget...OK. You act as if your people are so kind and no better then not to be racist. They're perfect arent they?.

No, but they are far better than their evil, evil ancestors.
I think most of us here wouldn't go round blaming Germans for WW2.
-Because it wasn't them (aside from the elderly, but then it WAS the Government's decision, but let's not detract from my point, shall we?)

Either way, would you go and shout at the average Italian, German, Egyptian, Mongolian, Russian for anything their ancestors did?

Every Civilisation has done something really quite bad in their history, except maybe people who live on Hawaii, because they simply haven't been given the chance yet.
(I'm not saying that they would, on instinct, attack innocents in war, etc.)


whats funny is you have a problem with with blacks having a history of 'Whining' as if we took your life and your childrens life and owned them. I'd love to see how your people would act if they were enslaved for 400 years.

"My people" would probably be upset about those 400 years, but I would hope they don't hate the descendents of the people who did it in that time.

Yea right, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, what you would want and what would happen are too different things. I see on the news every day white cops shooting black men for the stupidest reasons.

Loduwijk is being very reasonable. He's offering peace!

What people want is a very important thing in life.
For example, during the Civil Rights movements.
For someone so well into debating discrimination as you are, you should know this.

If i threw a stone at you, i wonder if you would 'whine'.

No, I wouldn't whine, rather I would punch you. Blacks had every right to do that back in the day.

Ok buddy i would to see you as a black person punch the white guy who threw a rock at you. You would be would be jumped, beaten more, and maybe even hanged. Did'nt youever watch the videos at school?.

Civil Disobedience is still disobedience!
Or something.

Um.

However, I would hope my children do not hate your children for your rock throwing.

You're just saying that because you're trying to defend the stoners' decendents' which we are using as an example for what you're ancestors' did.


No, he's trying to defend your children from your terrible rock throwing.

(And don't you tell ME I'm missing the point!)
In response to Pagemaster
Pagemaster wrote:
Exactly, they would hate you because you're white and they remember what you're people did.

Which is just as bad as what "my people" did. If "my people" still did that it would be fine, heck I would help them beat the crap out of my neighbors if times were still like that and my neighbors were part of the problem. But it's not like that.

Well isnt that obivious?, who told you i thought everyone was racist. I am just trying to tell you theres more white racists then black ones.

I would like to see you prove that. I don't think it is true, and my experiences tell me otherwise. I will admit, I cannot prove my experiences as the ultimate truth either, as all I can offer is my good word. But that is not really what this argument is about anyway, so it doesn't matter for now.

But what you dont seem to recognize is that you're observations' are from a "white persons point of view". Obiviously, you would pick up more black racists then white ones in your life.

My observations are from nobodies point of view except that of a human. I am not for the white racists, and I know there still are some disgusting pigs among the whites who still are racist. Heck, my own uncle is one and he has said that he remembers fondly the days of the KKK. That is a perverted thing, and I don't like it as I don't like any racism. I don't just overlook any of it because of my point of view, rather I tend to notice it no matter where it comes from. Again, this is getting sidetracked from the main point; so I won't go any further with this.

Why not?, just enslave people for a couple of hundred years. then expect them to forget...OK. You act as if your people are so kind and no better then not to be racist. They're perfect arent they?.

Of course not, I never said that and I don't expect them to forget it.

They should never forget. To forget that would be much like the public school systems trying to tell children the world war holocaust with the extermination of Jews like bugs never happened, which is a gross lie. Black people should not forget their heritage.

And I never said "my people" are perfect. As I said above, I have seen white racists. And stop calling them "your people", as they aren't my people. They have the same color skin as me, but my people are US citizens which includes white, black, red, yellow and whatever else there is.

whats funny is you have a problem with with blacks having a history of 'Whining' as if we took your life and your childrens life and owned them. I'd love to see how your people would act if they were enslaved for 400 years.

"My people" would probably be upset about those 400 years, but I would hope they don't hate the descendents of the people who did it in that time.

Yea right, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, what you would want and what would happen are too different things. I see on the news every day white cops shooting black men for the stupidest reasons.

Maybe what I want and what would happen would be two different things, but does that make things any better if it didn't happen? You seem to partly acknowledge that what I said there is good. So, if it is good then why do you knock it even if it would be unlikely? Defending the wrong just because it is inevitable does not make it any less wrong.

And I highly doubt you see on the news every day white cops shooting black men, unless the same incident plays on the news several days in a row. And it is usually not for the stupidest reasons even when it does happen. Of course it does happen without cause sometimes, and those times are terrible and the cops in those instances should be dealt with harshly. But it also happens to be that gangs of city folk often do things to get themselves on the wrong side of the law and then act like they are the victims when those they call the pigs come after them. I have seen it in Virginia when I used to go down there and get right into the heart of the slums which was not too far from where my family lived, and since one of my cousins was part of such groups I got to meet a bunch of people involved.

Ok buddy i would to see you as a black person punch the white guy who threw a rock at you. You would be would be jumped, beaten more, and maybe even hanged. Did'nt youever watch the videos at school?.

Wrong, that would not happen today. I have seen black guys punch white guys, and everyone does not jump them and beat them worse.

However, I would hope my children do not hate your children for your rock throwing.

You're just saying that because you're trying to defend the stoners' decendents' which we are using as an example for what you're ancestors' did.

I'm not "just saying that because" anything. I am saying that because it is what I truly believe. If you would hope your children hate my children after such an incident, then I pity you and your perverse ideals.

Black people have no reason whatsoever to hate me, my immediate family, most of my extended family, or friends. They have reason to hate the uncle I mentioned, but that is about all.

Everyone needs to get over it, humans are humans and everyone in this nation is part of "my people". Black people have no reason to remain racist against whites, as the percentage of whites who are racist against them is miniscule and what few small pockets of it remain aren't worth hating us all over. Whites have no reason to be racist either. Nobody does, yet people still are.

If you don't agree with that then you are a biased racist yourself and I am arguing in vain. If you do agree with that, then we have no argument.
In response to Loduwijk
*coughs* that is [wrong] not all black people hate white people...so why not say the ones that hate white people? xD
In response to Darkfirewolf5
If you're going to reply to his post in such a small amount of text, don't bother quoting it. You hardly needed to quote it/all of it.

Anyway, you completely misread his post.

And, you swore AGAIN.

Please refrain, or get banned from the forums.
In response to Darkfirewolf5
Darkfirewolf5, please refrain from swearing on the forums, and please don't quote a very long post just to say one sentence.

Kholint, you are not a moderator. It's not your job to point out when moderator action may be required. The moderators will decide that on their own. Likewise, please do not threaten people with being banned; that is not your threat to make. Thanks!
In response to Loduwijk
Incase you did not notice, my post was a joke. Anyways, this thread seems to remind me of something I heard someone say a while ago, "Racists are a dieing breed, you can't propogate your species when the only person you have sex with is your sister.".
In response to Kusanagi
Cant we all just sit down and eat some pancakes??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
In response to Crispy
Crispy wrote:
Kholint, you are not a moderator. It's not your job to point out when moderator action may be required. The moderators will decide that on their own. Likewise, please do not threaten people with being banned; that is not your threat to make. Thanks!

I AM too!

I just left my green at home this morning.

(Ack, isn't it against the rules to claim to be a mod? Like pretending to be a preist. Oh, gosh, how I love Pirates of the carrabean. But Keanu Reeves isn't in that film, which is a shame because Keanu Reeves is a god to me, he's amazing, so lovely, so handsome...so sexy. I wish I was Keanu Reeves boyfriend. Ah well, he makes the Matrix look good anyway. But back to Crispy. I think Crispy's best attribute is his cute goatie, and masculine eyebrows. But here's the *real* issue of today's post-modern, near-apocoliptic world- is Crispy more of a sex icon than Keanu Reeves? I'd say Yes. The reason I declare positive is because Crispy has this kind of natural flowing authority, that can make other forum-posters just shut up entirely. Except for me, but that's because I'm hero-worshipped by Lummox Jr, Garthor, Mike H and a few other well known people. It's amazing how well known and respected I am, given that I've only done one thing, and that was only Creating the Universe. For I am God, and whoever says I am not is a liar. I liar, I tell you!)
Civil Disobedience is still disobedience!

K there maddox..
Kholintian Destroying Army wrote:
Pagemaster wrote:
Loduwijk wrote:
Pagemaster wrote:
It was only 40 years ago dont tell me there are more black racists then white ones.And a Black racist wouldnt hate you for your color they would hate white people because of thier history unlike a white racist who would hate you simply because your black. Anyways,How would you know?,Your just telling me something from your point of view your probably not even black so you would have an even lower possibility of running into some white racist. i am sure i've been called a nigger by some angry white kid many more times then you have been called whatever black people call you.

Wrong, I have had black people hate me just because I am white.

Exactly, they would hate you because you're white and they remember what you're people did.

You're assuming that. You've assumed and generalised a lot in your two posts in this thread.
That's a bad thing to do.

I'll get to this later.
It is a fact that the majority of people are no longer racist (and you would be hardpressed even to prove that most people were even in the 19th century, as it was not an age where everyone was racist as many would have you believe).

Well isnt that obivious?, who told you i thought everyone was racist. I am just trying to tell you theres more white racists then black ones.

And that's already been cleared up in this thread- statistically, there are bound to be more white racists than black ones in America, because there are more white people in America than black. (And no, I'm not saying that all white people are racist, then.)

Then why bother responding to this if your know its already been cleared up?,just want to waste time or do you want people to think you wrote something useful to compete with our long essays?
And i have met many more racist whites then blacks. Wouldnt you think i have a less possiblity of encountering a black racists/ you meeting a white one.Thats only where you have been you havent been all over the country.

No, not all over the country; but I have been to a good portion of it. As I have pointed out in past posts, I have been to many places and met thousands of people. I have been out of my country and around around nearly half of mine. And it's not only my observation anyway, it's the observation of many of us who want and end to it on all sides.

But what you dont seem to recognize is that you're observations' are from a "white persons point of view". Obiviously, you would pick up more black racists then white ones in your life.

And what you seem to not reconise is your observations are from a "black person's point of view".
Obviously, *you* would find more white racists than black racists- simply because white racists are going to be racist towards you, and you aren't seeing the black racists being racist, because it isn't towards you.

You should reconise things more when they aren't just pointed towards you.

Did i not say theres a higher possibility for me to see white racists then black ones and him visversa. Yes, i did in the first post. Instead of just jumping in and defending your white brother you should check the facts firsts cause everything you said has already been posted. Another waste of my time spent.

O and what happened to <font color = blue>You're assuming that. You've assumed and generalised a lot in your two posts in this thread.
That's a bad thing to do.</font color = blue>
Your assuming i am black and i never ONCE told you i was black. For all you know i could have some african blood but still be light skined.
"while they are like that today". I'am sorry i dont remember my race enslaving whites for over almost 4 centuries.

That does not give them the right to be racist today.

Why not?, just enslave people for a couple of hundred years. then expect them to forget...OK. You act as if your people are so kind and no better then not to be racist. They're perfect arent they?.

No, but they are far better than their evil, evil ancestors.
I think most of us here wouldn't go round blaming Germans for WW2.
-Because it wasn't them (aside from the elderly, but then it WAS the Government's decision, but let's not detract from my point, shall we?)
dont know what your talking about here.

Either way, would you go and shout at the average Italian, German, Egyptian, Mongolian, Russian for anything their ancestors did?

still dont.
Every Civilisation has done something really quite bad in their history, except maybe people who live on Hawaii, because they simply haven't been given the chance yet.
(I'm not saying that they would, on instinct, attack innocents in war, etc.)


whats funny is you have a problem with with blacks having a history of 'Whining' as if we took your life and your childrens life and owned them. I'd love to see how your people would act if they were enslaved for 400 years.

"My people" would probably be upset about those 400 years, but I would hope they don't hate the descendents of the people who did it in that time.

Yea right, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, what you would want and what would happen are too different things. I see on the news every day white cops shooting black men for the stupidest reasons.

Loduwijk is being very reasonable. He's offering peace!

What peace?, was there any war to begain with. This all started with him complaining about Black people complaining. Which i think is stupid.
What people want is a very important thing in life.
For example, during the Civil Rights movements.
For someone so well into debating discrimination as you are, you should know this.

If i threw a stone at you, i wonder if you would 'whine'.

No, I wouldn't whine, rather I would punch you. Blacks had every right to do that back in the day.

Ok buddy i would to see you as a black person punch the white guy who threw a rock at you. You would be would be jumped, beaten more, and maybe even hanged. Did'nt youever watch the videos at school?.

Civil Disobedience is still disobedience!
Or something.

Um.

However, I would hope my children do not hate your children for your rock throwing.

You're just saying that because you're trying to defend the stoners' decendents' which we are using as an example for what you're ancestors' did.


No, he's trying to defend your children from your terrible rock throwing.

Yea, thats like saying if he was black he would want to defend whites for thier ancestors terrible racism. *OK*
(And don't you tell ME I'm missing the point!)

I'll tell you if your missing the point, dont tell me what to do i thought slavery was over.
In response to Pagemaster
I used to be racist until i started dating someone who was of another race. Now i'm not racist,funny how things can change your mind eh?

--FSDU
In response to Loduwijk
Loduwijk wrote:
Pagemaster wrote:
Exactly, they would hate you because you're white and they remember what you're people did.

Which is just as bad as what "my people" did. If "my people" still did that it would be fine, heck I would help them beat the crap out of my neighbors if times were still like that and my neighbors were part of the problem. But it's not like that.

Well no, its not 'just' as bad, if you studied you're history well on this matter you would know. If you're going to compare 'whining' to those years of slavery and racism then you're just in denial
Well isnt that obivious?, who told you i thought everyone was racist. I am just trying to tell you theres more white racists then black ones.

I would like to see you prove that. I don't think it is true, and my experiences tell me otherwise. I will admit, I cannot prove my experiences as the ultimate truth either, as all I can offer is my good word. But that is not really what this argument is about anyway, so it doesn't matter for now.

You're pal Kholin or something like that proved it in his last post.
But what you dont seem to recognize is that you're observations' are from a "white persons point of view". Obiviously, you would pick up more black racists then white ones in your life.

My observations are from nobodies point of view except that of a human. I am not for the white racists, and I know there still are some disgusting pigs among the whites who still are racist. Heck, my own uncle is one and he has said that he remembers fondly the days of the KKK. That is a perverted thing, and I don't like it as I don't like any racism. I don't just overlook any of it because of my point of view, rather I tend to notice it no matter where it comes from. Again, this is getting sidetracked from the main point; so I won't go any further with this.

Why not?, just enslave people for a couple of hundred years. then expect them to forget...OK. You act as if your people are so kind and no better then not to be racist. They're perfect arent they?.

Of course not, I never said that and I don't expect them to forget it.

They should never forget. To forget that would be much like the public school systems trying to tell children the world war holocaust with the extermination of Jews like bugs never happened, which is a gross lie. Black people should not forget their heritage.

And like your first post i dont think they did either. If you think any minority wouldnt complain after 400 years of torcher you're nuts. You just dont do stuff like that then apologize and not expect a reaction.
And I never said "my people" are perfect. As I said above, I have seen white racists. And stop calling them "your people", as they aren't my people. They have the same color skin as me, but my people are US citizens which includes white, black, red, yellow and whatever else there is.

They WERE US citizens and this happened in US. Therefore, That would be categorized as you're people even if you're ashamed.
whats funny is you have a problem with with blacks having a history of 'Whining' as if we took your life and your childrens life and owned them. I'd love to see how your people would act if they were enslaved for 400 years.

"My people" would probably be upset about those 400 years, but I would hope they don't hate the descendents of the people who did it in that time.

Yea right, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, what you would want and what would happen are too different things. I see on the news every day white cops shooting black men for the stupidest reasons.

Maybe what I want and what would happen would be two different things, but does that make things any better if it didn't happen? You seem to partly acknowledge that what I said there is good. So, if it is good then why do you knock it even if it would be unlikely? Defending the wrong just because it is inevitable does not make it any less wrong.

Exactly so that means defending you're ancestors is pointless. And coming here with this title making minorities seem racist was also pointless.
And I highly doubt you see on the news every day white cops shooting black men, unless the same incident plays on the news several days in a row.

Do you want me to say almost every other day or every other week?, cause it wouldnt matter it happens ALOT.

And it is usually not for the stupidest reasons even when it does happen. Of course it does happen without cause sometimes, and those times are terrible and the cops in those instances should be dealt with harshly. But it also happens to be that gangs of city folk often do things to get themselves on the wrong side of the law and then act like they are the victims when those they call the pigs come after them. I have seen it in Virginia when I used to go down there and get right into the heart of the slums which was not too far from where my family lived, and since one of my cousins was part of such groups I got to meet a bunch of people involved.

Again these are your observerations and examples from you're life that help you. I could easly recall some events in my life when i came accross racism from whites, but would it really matter? You still would post from your point of view based on what YOU yourself have seen.
Ok buddy i would to see you as a black person punch the white guy who threw a rock at you. You would be would be jumped, beaten more, and maybe even hanged. Did'nt youever watch the videos at school?.

Wrong, that would not happen today. I have seen black guys punch white guys, and everyone does not jump them and beat them worse.

I was talking about back in the day. 'if i threw a rock at you would you whine'. And if you tell me you would still punch me i would not even take you seriously.
However, I would hope my children do not hate your children for your rock throwing.

You're just saying that because you're trying to defend the stoners' decendents' which we are using as an example for what you're ancestors' did.

I'm not "just saying that because" anything. I am saying that because it is what I truly believe. If you would hope your children hate my children after such an incident, then I pity you and your perverse ideals.

Look at the bright side at least you would have children. If a black guy had a child they would just sell them. Naturally the kids would hate the descendants of the people that stoned me and sold them, wheither i would want it or not.
Black people have no reason whatsoever to hate me, my immediate family, most of my extended family, or friends. They have reason to hate the uncle I mentioned, but that is about all.

Everyone needs to get over it, humans are humans and everyone in this nation is part of "my people". Black people have no reason to remain racist against whites, as the percentage of whites who are racist against them is miniscule and what few small pockets of it remain aren't worth hating us all over. Whites have no reason to be racist either. Nobody does, yet people still are.

Let me just post this here before you keep up the denial

<font color = blue>And that's already been cleared up in this thread- statistically, there are bound to be more white racists than black ones in America, because there are more white people in America than black. (And no, I'm not saying that all white people are racist, then.)</font color = blue>
-Thats a quote from Kholin whos white as well.
If you don't agree with that then you are a biased racist yourself and I am arguing in vain. If you do agree with that, then we have no argument.
In response to Hedgemistress
what have burgers got to do with racism?
In response to GokuDBZ3128
no slavery still existed 200 years ago it just depends what country you're talking about
In response to Pagemaster
yeh ive never met anyone who was a slave in this lifetime it wasnt them it was their people theres a big difference
In response to Pagemaster
its not 'white peoples' fault for the past we are not accountable for people who we never met
^case in point...an argument which has nothing to do with what I just said.
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