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Dec 27 2013, 12:05 pm
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How do you guys keep track of all the things you've coded into your project in an organized fashion?
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I do the exact opposite, I try to keep as much as I can in 1 place. I also use the "show all nodes" in the object map to quickly get to the last thing I programmed. I leave myself comments and whitespace. I'm probably doing it wrong, but I can sort it out, and since I work alone, that's all I need.
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I keep all my files extremely tidy and organized. I will use folders inside of folders inside of folders in some cases.
I keep my files extremely relevant to what they are. If for example I have a folder called Player, all the files in it handle the players. A file called stats might handle how player stats work, another file called loading will handle how a player saves/loads and so on. I will never have massive thousand line long files for anything. I comment things. I'm not great at this, but everytime I add something I always add a short description about what it does and how to use it. People might tell you this a bad idea (and it might be). But I make the name of my variables and procs extremely obvious instead of using weird naming conventions. My function for attacking is called "Attack", and the one for calculating damage is called CalculateDamage and so on. I basically do these three things, and right now I can handle a project that's exceeded 25,000+ lines of code with enough precision that I know what each and every file, object, proc and variable in it does and where they can be found. I have a decent memory so that probably helps. |
In response to The Magic Man
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My function for attacking is called "Attack", and the one for calculating damage is called CalculateDamage and so on. Starting with Java got me used to writing out long method/proc and/or variable names, so I do it in BYOND too. It's helpful because I never have to guess what something is and I Can usually grasp what it's used for by reading it alone |
I always keep my file organized. I tend to sometime overdo it. I only recently started commenting more often on what I program(a week ago), unfortunately. Never realizing how easier it is.
I try to make it extremely easy to comprehend. This is mostly why I always work as a "leader", because if I change the way I want the source to be organized people just might end up confused. I take my time(often hours) to write guides for my projects once it is finished. I do this to help any future project leader or if I haven't work in X source for over years. I never comment too much! I often use the desc setting to reference myself for each individual verbs I programmed. I always make my source look complicated but readable to a decent programmer. The reason why do this is because it's so that if somebody gets a hand of a project, the person would have to learn DM language properly. The reason I do this is because when I joined BYOND, a month ago, I found out this rip Naruto source. It was extremely easy to learn from it as I had read few chapters of the Dream Maker. I then saw people saying how it gives bad habit to learn from rips. I found a source called Naruto Unforgiven.. which looked completely different and undecipherable. I then understood I had to learn DM the proper way(I honestly have no idea if this just made sense). |
In response to Tashiko
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I always make my source look complicated but readable to a decent programmer. The reason why do this is because it's so that if somebody gets a hand of a project, the person would have to learn DM language properly. You are a good person |
In response to Tashiko
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I think one day you'll come back and look at this post and see some things that will make you remember what it was like to be a newbie to programming. Haha.
As for me, I have gone through many different "phases" of documentation and organization. I've finally settled on something that works for me. I don't like having tons of folders, because I'm pretty lazy. I have one "Code" folder that contains all of my files, but every file is named for what is specifically in it. For example: As for documentation, when things get complicated, I make sure to give a little comment about what the purpose is. I do this mainly to make things easier on myself whenever I go back and look at it. Examples of this are when I have to do some statements and I use more complex methods (Like comparing many different factors in an if statement via && and ||, or doing a lot of number or text manipulation in one line with copytext(), findtext(), max(), min(), etc). In general though, I work in bursts mostly, so I don't like wasting time writing about what I'm going to make rather than making it. I go back later and document the details. Its not something that everyone does, but it works for me. |
You can see the epitome of horrible organization and poor documentation in the Hazordhu source.
Forum_account has a few relevant articles. Find them in the Resource Repository. |
Probably the best thing you can do to help keep code organized is to always, ALWAYS use absolute paths rather than relative paths. Much easier to control-f
obj/trunk/branch/subbranch/leaf/proc/sway()
instead of obj Plus after 900 lines, it's easy to forget how tabbed out you actually are if there's a ton of things per file. Is this the leaf line or proc line? Good luck keeping it straight. |
In response to MisterPerson
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I always define proc and variables so that their object is absolute while they are tabbed. I define new datums often too with combination of parenting.
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In response to MisterPerson
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That's horrendously opinionated and without any information to back it.
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There's absolutely no gain whatsoever in using parent_type rather than just pathing to the parent you want to use. There's a major reason not to use parent_type however: code clarity. It's not extremely obvious that "player/Move()" would inherent from "mob/combatant/Move()" because that's around the top of the file surrounded by other vars. If you jump over that or worse, start by looking in another file entirely, it's pretty easy for you to forget or someone else to never realize in the first place what the object's parents are.
As for absolute paths, let's say in 4 years a bug popped up in player/Move(), so you try to remember where that proc is. Is it in a file filled with redefined Move() procs? Is it in with the rest of player code? Added with the above, I'd feel bad if the bug was actually in mob/Move() or mob/combatant/Move() or even atom/movable/Move(). |
It feels like you're whining about "what-ifs" that are all results of poor documentation, not the use of parent_type.
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In response to MisterPerson
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Except that you and anyone reading your code should probably realize that you use parent_type and check for inheritance. Not to mention, it should be pretty obvious to anyone working on the project what each major path inherits from.
The only person I can see really suffering from this is someone who got their hands on your code and doesn't know what they're doing. |
I always create a folder where I have defined parent_types for each new instance. These "header files" I start with "_" so they always appear at the top of the folder.
This code is from my current project: // file: <_mob.dm> As you can see I try not to modify default types like /mob so I can always create new derivations without having defined vars and proc which I wouldn't be use anyway. You may notice curved brackets and semicolons. I rewrite the code using these when this feature was successfully tested and debugged and it is information for me that this piece of code is healthy. |
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When it comes to documenting my programming, I like to keep things simple. I see no need to have a lengthy and detailed explaination for a "Stat" datum as everything will be obvious from just looking at it. A proc with a lot of algorithms on the other hand, I will comment in great detail. On more than one occassion I have gone back to a 4 year old project and not been able to make heads or tails of my work.
Keeping your files tidy and organized, like many other things in life, is just a good habit to get into. Document your programming as much as you deem necessary so that one can understand what it does and how it does it.
Some would go as far as saying that a complete stranger should be able to look at your project for the first time and understand what everything does by reading it's documentation. While I personally find this a good habit if you intend on working with/for other programmers, I don't think a hobbyist needs to be so anal.