Only that we've had this conversation once a month for a while, I'm afraid.

BYOND is essentially a legacy platform at this point, very good for some particular kinds of games, and quite good as a place to whet one's appetite for developing games and programming. Credit definitely where it is due, it does this quite well, and it's part of the reason I am here doing moderatory things 10 years on and I am happy to do so. I've gotten to see people go from writing some of their very first code here, to going to college, to working in industry, and I imagine it must be quite something for Tom also to see this and understand the part BYOND played in that.

Support for mobile platforms has been acknowledged, along with a more web-oriented style of access to BYOND games. However as a legacy platform, with 15 years of code backing it, and relatively little resources (or motivation, I wouldn't doubt) I wouldn't expect support for mobile platforms to just 'turn up', as it were.

It's not that BYOND and it's staff hasn't thought of these things you're suggesting, it's more that the project isn't in a position to pursue that with much gusto. I don't particularly imagine that BYOND will simply "cease to exist" for some time to come, but it is worth noting that BYOND isn't quite in a position to throw out major updates at the moment, that'd take much time, assuming Tom doesn't want to try other things instead. It's on the list, as it were, just a very big big list. :P

I'd just like to point something out.

There are more "PC Gamers" and PCs capable of playing video games than every other platform out there combined, then tripled.

More PCs capable of playing games are sold in a month than most consoles sell in their entire life.

There are more PC games released every year than games on all other platforms combined.

If you consider hours played, games like LoL, Starcraft, Warcraft and DotA 2 top the charts by massive margins. And they are all PC games.

If you consider esports, those above mentioned games are the biggest in the scene.

The only people who think "PC gaming has been left behind" are those uneducated people who've never even tried exploring what PC gaming has to offer.

I don't get why some people use the term "PC Gamer", do you consider yourself a gamer for playing a single game? Perhaps for wasting $20 for a new game like DayZ and playing it 2 hours per month? I don't either get your point on mobile phone games, the most played games are boring games that could've been made many years ago, Candy Crush, Angry Birds, they're really simple, and only played because those are the best games you can get on that device.

Not to mention some of the newest mobile phones have awful controls for games, playing a BYOND Game with it would be a pain, select to move? Press your screen 4 times just to say Hi? I'm sorry, but I disagree. BYOND should only focus on the flash client at the moment.

I own over 200 games on Steam alone, and have completed at least 30% of them (many of them cannot be completed mind you) and have hundreds of hours in many of them. I think there is less than 10 games I own I have played for less than 2 hours.

The Magic Man wrote:

Have you ever seen what mobile gaming looks like now?

If not then this is an actual screenshot from a mobile game.
http://files.byondhome.com/TheMagicMan/ Deus-Ex-The-Fall-3.jpg

Mobile gaming long ago surpassed what BYOND is graphically capable of.

I was saying that while mobile games are capable of DECENT 3d graphics, they have not surpassed what PC and Console games are capable of

Mobile gaming really isn't a big deal and it will never replace PC gaming. There are various reasons but most of all mobiles don't have enough inputs, screen is too small, internet connection is poor if playing online, and hell, those things are made for facebook, instagram, etc. It's just not worth spending time on it/focusing on playing games there.

I, as well as most of my generation, have really grown out of PC gaming. Mobile gaming is where the world is at right now

You can't be serious.

BYOND lacks games and devs because it's not very good for multi-player games. And not even single-player nor any games at all, in my opinion. It's good to learn how things work and to understnad basics of programming, but if I really wanted to make a serious game, I wouldn't do it here, in BYOND.
Personally, I don't intend to publish games here, and this might be reason why neither do others, because BYOND community is lacking players.

Another thing is that BYOND makes it hard to program clean games. It's because it is dirty without having you to help it.

Sorry for english and don't cry too much.

I have no problem making a "clean" game.

Ok?

There are lots of things, I don't know even how they work, for example loop checks, that I don't need it. I know I can turn it off, but the point is there are many things that slow games down. Poor connection and server-only sided processing are things that prevents from creating good games. They run well at 60 fps locally but you can't make a smooth multiplayer game.

I wonder if it would help for clients to do some more client-side interpolation between frames to get as high and smooth a framerate as possible instead of only updating when the server says to, which is usually lower than world.fps.

The only client-sided animations currently are animated icons, tile gliding, and animate(), which leaves out pixel movement. And even then, the frame rate is capped at world.fps, the speed of the game logic, which isn't what modern games do.

I really dislike mobile gaming. I just see mobile games as the money hungry games.

The mobile gaming market is strong because it's so cheap and addicting. Remember Popcap games? It's basically an extension of that you can carry everywhere.