kunark whats your aim or msn or whatever you use, we gotta talk about this lol that is if you want to..

Sigh, its all about attitude. There are no magic words to make a chick dig you.

And if its like a first time meeting, or you just met her, or its really early in a realtion ship, saying "I love you" could actully be a turn off.

Alot of it has to do with a persons' confindance and their body language.

Id say do some deep investagation into her and see what he likes, find out what makes her tick, and use that to her advantage. The hunt is on mate. ;)

I am only 20 years old, and I only had 2 girl friends, but I really didn't have to do much, the girls came to me. I guess I am just a out going person or something.

My first Girlfriend, she bascilly said, I want you, so lets try this out. I was kind of put off by this myself, and it didnt work out very well. To top it off, she was really clingy and called me constatnly, I mean every hour, like every day, with NOTHING to talk about.

My second Girlfriend, I met in class, she was sitting in the corner by herself, alone. I just noticed her, but i guess she was in my class a full week before I saw her. I walked up to her and said "What a pretty lady like you doing in the corner by yourself."

After that we were pretty much inseperable for awhile, until she tried to cut her wrists over something dumb, which wasnt even related to me, but it made me worried that I COULD do something that might trigger it, and I didnt need that kind of problem, so I dropped her.

If you're desperate: -DELETE-

EDIT: Woah! I should probably have read through that webpage before leaving a link...

Haha, so true.

Best pickuplines for church- (shut up shades)
"Hey I believe one of those ribs belong to me."
"Nice Bible."
"Want to go over to my place and study the ten commandments?"

heh. I dare you to go up to a girl and nice that.

Kujila wrote:

a/s/l?

That the best pickup line.

~Kujila

Hahaha! You are my God. =D You crack me up!

I disagree. Majority of women I've dated were very easily manipulated, and thus thrown to the side by me because they have no substance... there are a few that are definately not robots, but a lot are.

After all, who's not an aspiring hedonist? How many people don't head in the direction social groups take them? So as long as you're doing something desirable to her and you know her style of life (to appeal to her taste), is she not going to respond in a positive manner? She may not want to be with you because you're just not the looks she's looking for, but it is definately possible to get the personality down.

People as complicated as you Hedge are rare and last time I remember I thought you were a lesbian? So you're not even an option, which leaves about... 4 or 5 girls I know that can actually hold a candle/kick ass in an intellectual debate and are datable. Our society doesn't teach girls that the most important thing is intelligence, instead they're taught at a very young age to be pretty(or they are pretty), socialize and get along with other people and not to be mean. Very few ever make it out of the entrapments of society. Their attractiveness also gives them very desirable attention, self esteem, and power over many others in this world so I see no need for them to abandon it.

Maybe it's just my area and the fact that college reminds me of high school, or maybe I'm just being bias and not opening my eyes... who knows. It's just how I see things at the moment.

I just deleted my original reply to you, as I deemed it was not appropriate for the community... instead, I'll restrict my remarks to the following:

The reason I'm not an option for a boy who has no qualms about manipulating women to see how much he can get from them and them dumping them as being superficial for responding to the falsehoods he presents has -nothing- to do with lesbianism.

that was not what I ment at all... sorry you took it that way. What I was trying to say was since you like females, you don't count as an option for datable material. Simple as that. Not that you find males repulsive, or whatever reasons for your likeness of them or me... that wasn't what I was getting at. I was just saying I don't know a lot of females who prize their intelligence over their looks, and the ones that do don't seem to be available for an assortment of reasons:
everyone seems to gobble them up as their partner since the ratio of them to guys who want them is unproportionate in the US, they're lesbians, or they're just plain intimidating to the point where they're unreachable which factors them out of our quotient of choices.

It was a compliment, I guess you're just used to getting the opposite from me :(

Also - you don't manipulate your partners? Maybe you don't do it conciously, but you still do. Your partner likes it when you do certain things so you do those things, perhaps without them telling you to because that earns even more points. That's still artificially influencing their favor of you, regardless if your intentions are good or bad.

All of life is this way, some people's ability to speak is very manipulative and allows them to reach higher goals (unintentionally) than others. Are they not guilty of manipulating with their charming social capabilities?

To say that some people's reasons to be with someone is not shallow is not true. You may have other motives, but one of them is definately a shallow point of mind. Lesbian, bisexual, or whatever you like, your intentions aren't any different than anyone elses. I'd say sex and love go hand in hand. Not to say shallowness is ugly, it is part of life and it shouldn't be construed as good or bad...
I'd like to see someone get with someone and never once care nor think about sexual benefits of being with that person. If I can see that, I will believe it and completely throw this arguement out the window.

Anyways, it's all selfish at it's roots. That's where the real problem lies if anyone's up for a good morality discussion.

I hope I meet someone some day I can't figure out enough to be able to manipulate them conciously... and they can manipulate me.

I wouldnt come to BYOND ppl for love advice..Thats just a little sad..