I want to now, along with barny, lol :P

I don't see what the one has to do with the other. Punishing game companies for what these other people do is just absurd. It's like having some random guy walking down the street look at you wrong, so you punch a completely different person to set the starer straight.

Techanlly speaking the nude skin ss not actully a 3rd party mod, but a skin that actully comes with the software you buy. All people have to do is take the nude model file and rename it to the female skins file and you can see it in the game.

I understand some of the issues here, players are going to do what they want to do and the ESRB should understand that game developers will have no control over it.

But the problem here is, the developers left that nude skin in the game. It might not have been readily accessible, but it WAS there.

They should have either have taken it out or alerted the ESRB about it. Instead they decided to ignore it, and now they were punished for doing so.

You want a 3rd party mod? Lets take DOA Volleyball for example. in this game, the models are very sexy, no? But there is actully NO nudity in the game at all.

There is a way you can actully see through or remove their swim suits and there are NO GENITALS OR NIPPLES. It is like a blank mesh of skin and thats it, like the skins. They are nothing but dolls. Players had to hack the game and then make their own skins that had the adult features and expand upon that. In this case DOA Volley Ball did not get in trouble because they did not provide the adult content.

But in this instance the company did in fact provide the nudity.

No, you miss the point Smoko...

The Hot Coffee mode allowed players to unlock a sexual mini game in the orginal game (which did in fact feature nudity in the game).

The developers left that content in the game, and just made it unaccessable. But the fact remains, THEY LEFT THE CONTENT IN.

They could have just as easily removed it. It does not matter someone had to do something extra, out of the way to access the nude content, it was still there.

I have the Playboy game and I don't know WHERE you get your notes from. There is some nudity and you can have sex on a couch with no explicit detials. Your charater still even has his shorts on.

And you should also keep in mind the fact that playboys the mansion also has a warning on the back of the box becuase of this nudity and sexual interaction.

Look, the ESRB is being dumb, but don't give these developers excuses. They are being just as dumb as the ESRB. They should NEVER have had the content to begin with. Both sides are being dumb, but when you cut down right to the bone, the fact is, these developers left this content in. They designed it, they made it, and they made a decision to leave it in the game. And if the content is there, it is going to be accessed eventually.

Yeah you wouldn't see what the big fuss is would you?

Look, the ESRB is responsible for accuratly rating video games, and while they can be a pain in the arse some times in all of our best intrests they really ARE trying to not only protect gamers but the developers as well.

First off, lets look at the Hot Coffee Mod (Which I don't care what you say, the nude skin meshes are in the game, you just need a game shark to get them. I have a orginal print for christs sake!)

A Grandmother buys the game for her grandson and she finds him playing the Hot Coffee mini game. Now, ok, this game does in fact have graphic displays of violence and crime, but the box never mentions anything of nudity at all. Because of this lack of warning, this gives the grandmother a reason to sue the company. No matter how small or stupid a reason is.

The same can be said for ANY VIDEO GAME that does not ACCURACTLY DESCRIBE THE CONTENT IN A VIDEO GAME. These ratings are in place for a REASON. To warn customers and to protect developers.

These rateings help protect game companys from being sued. So instead of just HIDING CONTENT and hope no one finds it, they could have two options:

1. They could tell the ESRB about the content.
2. They could remove the content.

But for some reason I DONT UNDERSTAND is the fact that companys would rather RISK the chance of getting in trouble and not do anything about this content.

You mention the Playboy game for the Xbox and PS2. Yes, ther e is nudity and you can even have sex on a couch. But thats not the point. The point is, the game has a warning on the back of the box that accurately describes the content of the game to the cunsumers. Yes there is nudity in the game, yes there is a strong sexual theme, yes, this is in the game.

And that is why, adult themed games like those do not have the problems. It is the games you do not expect the nudity to be in, or warned to HAVE to nudity in it when in fact it does.

The ESRB is only doing their job and I am sick of these lazy developers trying to get away with it. If you want to have adult content, thats fine, but for gods sake, just let the ESRB know about it!

Thats the point though, Dora the Explorer does not provide any of the adult themed content. People would have to litterly HACK the game from scratch to get adult content and change it into a sexual game.

The content would not be provided by the developers and that means that the ratings on the box provided by the ESRB are accurantly described.

The problem here with Morrowind and the Grandtheft Auto mod is the fact that this content IS provided by the developers. That content was placed there BY the developers and even though you have to work to unlock it, the developers are the ones responsible for having that content in the game.

They can point the finger at the gamers as much as they want. "They made the females nude.. They used a game shark to access this game.." but who in the end was the one who actully had the content IN the game to begin with? THE DEVELOPERS and ultimatly the developers will be the ones responsible for it in the end.

But if it requires extreme effort to enable said things, you are actually modding the game to do it, even if it can be reached with a gameshark or whatever, you are still modding the game. Making a change to even make it possible. It would be like a grandma suing dell because the internet contains porn and there wasn't a warning on the box. I suppose, in this case, the content was there, but must have been enabled. But to enable it, you must use 3rd party modifications(Or create them yourself). I think that the ESRB is going overboard, and should chill out. I understand the need for game ratings, but sometimes you must draw the line. We are talking about topless 3d models that have a rather low detail and provide no sexual suggestion.

Why not, instead, just request that all new copys of the game have the content in question removed. No need to change the rating for something so minor, that can be fixed with no problems for the future.

Shades wrote:

Thats the point though, Dora the Explorer does not provide any of the adult themed content. People would have to litterly HACK the game from scratch to get adult content and change it into a sexual game.

Not true, just make a hack that changes her naked or something, tada! Rated M.

I don't know what you people are not understanding. I don't know how much simpler I can try and make it for you.

The Dora the explorer game does not contain any adult content. It does not contain any nude meshes or sexual themes. There is no adult or sexual themese provided by the developer and because of that, they are safe from any 3rd party editors, such as a hex editor or a mesh editor.

I KNOW you can edit Dora the explorer, I know that if someone wanted, they could make her nude, but the developers, who are responible for the content of the game are not aiding you in that sense of hacking. They are not giving you sexual mini games, or nude skin files that were created by the developers.

In this sense, all adult content would have to be made by the players themselfs. THE PLAYERS, not the DEVELOPERS.

And because of this, the developers and the ESRB would not be responible for the content the players designed or made themselfs.

In the GTA Mod and the Morrowind Mod, the developers are providing the content. They are giving you the content. They are giving you the means to access the content. The content is there designed by the developers of the game.

Why is the ESRB is acting like this? Because they need to cover their arse. They need to be able to not only protect themselfs, but the developers who make these games.

Because the CONTENT was provided by the developers and it was not accurently displayed in the rating systems it leaves them open for law suits, not only the developers but the ESRB.

In the end, it all comes down to the developers not being respoble. and I dont know how you can sit here and just let them make excuses and try to get away with it.