It has finally been declassified. Weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq, so all of the complaining about not finding any was inaccurate. Over 500 filled, chemical WMD were found, and more are expected to be found both filled and empty.
I wonder what else was found that is still classified.
It's good we're finally getting a lot of good news out of Iraq.
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 Jun 21 2006, 11:48 am
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Jun 21 2006, 11:50 am
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Jmurph
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I don't have a link, as I didn't read it online. I just saw it on the news on TV. Give it an hour then check the major news sites.
I don't know if it was on the other news sites yet, but I was watching Fox news which showed a news conference with a couple senators, the ones who got it declassified. | |
Well I can't vouch for that myself but what I can tell you is North Korea have finally made a Nuclear Missile capable of hitting American soil.
According to this article in the paper (The Sun, a UK based Paper), the missile can hit Alaska. I have no links but if you wish to I can type up word for word the article in a reply? --Lee | |
Yes, that's been in the news for a few days now too. In fact, they are talking about that on the news right now. North Korea says that they think it can hit the US, and they want to test it, but the rest of the world is trying to persuade them against testing it.
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Mellifluous wrote:
According to this article in the paper (The Sun, a UK based Paper), the missile can hit Alaska. Then it's false. The Sun paper is, er, 'infamous' for being full of lies (and naked women). I'd go so far to say that anything you read in the Sun is entirely false. (If you want proof, The Sun is Cobbo's newspaper of choice.) | |
They say they just want to test launch the missile, not launch it at us. However, the US government has already readied its anti-missile defenses just in case they do actually decide to launch it at us, though this defense system is still under development and is not guarenteed to be a success in the even that North Korea actually does launch one at us.
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Lets just say this, a quote from what Kim Jong II had to say about Americans and his weaponry; "If we can develop this we have nothing to fear, even the American bastards won't be able to bother us."
All in all, I knew damn well before I read this article that the North Koreans where never too afraid or in terms of liking any American, the propaganda over in North Korea is a little disturbing as they go along the lines that the West, if they where to capture or get ahold of a Korean they would be tortured and mistreated until death. All I can say to this aswell is, as far as America might be in technological warfare advancement, North Korea would not give to kahoots about firing a Nuclear Warhead if they thought it was to their advantage. Give or take the amount of men on the lines of "No mans land" between the border of North and South Korea. Yes, they want to test it, will they fire it? They did it to show Japan they could hit Japan with ease and they also did it to make Japan realise how powerful they really where. In all due respect to the American people, I personaly wouldn't count on North Korea ever backing down from America let alone any other country in the world. --Lee | |
And it probably won't be a nuke if they test-fire it - it'll be a dud. The idea is that they're testing the rocket, not the explosive.
Of course, your missile-defence system is useless, anyway. | |
A few important quotes:
"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." "The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s." "Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions. "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."" This means nothing. Old, unusable chemical weapons are not a justification for war. | |
Because no one is retarded enough to fire a missile at us?
Or, if it be a nuke, it will still explode and still bring the world to an end? How is it useless!? | |
Because there's no way in hell you can hit a missile being fired.
When it was being tested, you even put tracking beacons on the missiles you were trying to hit, and homed in on that - and you still failed to hit them occasionally. When they've got a homing beacon on them. How much harder will it be when the missile has to track a different missile on the basis of temperature, or radar, or something else? Much. Especially given the sheer number of ways to screw with it - cooling the missile with liquid nitrogen, firing off fakes, spitting out chaff - lots of small bits of metal - encasing the missile in a really big balloon (No, seriously). Plus, nobody has ever looked at the effects of blowing up a nuke in the upper atmosphere, and there's a fair bet that it would result in radioactive debris being spread around the world. That's why it's useless. | |
Jp wrote:
Plus, nobody has ever looked at the effects of blowing up a nuke in the upper atmosphere, and there's a fair bet that it would result in radioactive debris being spread around the world. I think the russians did. They blew up a nuke above a battlefield where their soldiers were practicing to see what the effects would be. | |
How long ago was this and where did you get this information? I've never heard of it. Not to start and argument or anything, I'm just really curious. With the warfare technology we have, y'know, it may not be that hard. Remote controlled spy planes with an excellent range, super-powerful satellites, a gun that can fire 1 million rounds a minute with no moving parts... I'd say it's fairly possible.
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Specifically? New Scientist, about a year ago. I'm pretty sure they know they're physics.
It just plain isn't possible. Think about it - you're trying to hit a fairly small target, travelling at some ridiculous velocity, with a bullet, also travelling at a ridiculous velocity, and the bullet has to guide itself. Even before you get into the various ways you can hide your missile, you've still got screw-all time to hit it, and it's travelling bloody fast - it just isn't happening. Add in things like cooling it down, clouds of chaff, and fake missiles, there's no way in hell you could hit the thing. | |
Well, the missile must have some way of knowing where it's going and righting itself, so maybe a controlled EMP? Or perhaps scoop it up with a plane and throw it into space? Make a gigantic Jello shield to bounce it back? The possiblilties are endless. I guess the most likely will be a powerful laser that blows the missile up as it's being launched (hopefully before being armed).
But really, nukes are just deterrents unless in the hands of a suicidal maniac. If anyone launches anything now a days, they'll get pummeled, and then the pummeler will be pummeled back, probably accidently pummeling the world along the way. But it doesn't matter, I'm sure the universe can go on without us, even if it will be much, much more boring. | |
