Mar 27 2007, 3:28 pm
In response to Worldweaver
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Jon88
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And lots of useless and pointless ajax-y stuff. "Web 2.0" isn't all good. :)
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Anyone mind summarizing the main points of web 2.0 for me, Sure, here you go: babble on the clarity or freeness of information or some such. "Web 2.0" is a catchphrase/buzz word that is supposed to refer to webpages where the content comes primarily from the users at the bottom rather than a designer at the time. It gets wrapped up in a lot of crap about interactivity and dynamic whatever, but basically... MySpace, flickr, YouTube, etc. are all examples of the Web 2.0 concept. A page that exists solely to house a forum -should- fulfill the concept, but it doesn't, because Web 2.0 exists in a secret idealistic space where only fresh and exciting things matter. Insofar as BYOND's draw is the games created by users more so than anything provided by BYOND, it's already fulfilling the definition of Web 2.0... but it doesn't "look" Web 2.0. There is, of course, no such thing as a "Web 2.0 graphic" or "Web 2.0 logo", but that stops all of nobody from talking about it. They mean your page should look like flickr, or something... bright and shiny and faded and misspelled. That's what Web 2.0 is all about! [EDIT] Behold... the Web 2.0 Logo Creator! And just to prove that it works, here's what it came up with for my site: Star%20Harbr%20NightsBETA.png) Note: I took the "o" out of "Harbor" myself... but that's what Web 2.0 is all about. It wouldn't be very Web 2.0 if I, the user, didn't have some kind of creative input. | |
Tom wrote:
I expected the complaints, but I'm honestly puzzled by them. You can basically get the old unpublished games section by clicking on "Anime", where 99% of those games reside. The other games have been listed in appropriate (or almost-appropriate) categories. There are only four other categories-- it shouldn't be that much of a chore to browse. Nevertheless, we'll mull over ideas to make it more usable. We'll also be updating the search to make it easier to find games by more specific criteria. I really think the idea in [link] will work very well. As it's been stated, there are many people who don't go looking for a specific game, but rather just something new and interesting. It may not seem so, but going through 4 different locations for games is sort of a pain. I mean, it's really not too bad, especially with tabs in firefox, but I'd really like to be able to see all the live/hostable games for the guilds I'm in in one location. | |
Hedgemistress wrote:
Good idea, but it strikes me as a little complex for the truly passive, casual browser. A simple "Random Game" button would probably be a better idea... especially if it was keyed to only bring up live games at the moment... with perhaps an "advanced" link next to it that gave other options. Yeah, thats true. I like your idea better - Same concept, better interface to it. | |
You worded it just as I would. I still fail to see how they can't work together well. In any scenario I can come up with, one simply compliments the other.
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I'm not liking the new system like many, but then it'll get better over time, once everything is in place.
And while that happens, heres Lummox's link to all the live games. http://games.byond.com/hub/BYOND;view=live;startitem=0 Bookmark it, you will need it for a while. | |
RedlineM203 wrote:
I'm not liking the new system like many, but then it'll get better over time, once everything is in place. Credit or demerit where it's do, that's actually Android Data's link, not mine. Lummox JR | |
Lummox JR wrote:
RedlineM203 wrote: Nonsense. I made that link, he just copied it to this thread. It's mine! ;) Kidding aside, be aware that the above will most likely go away sometime in the future with another update. Could be tomorrow, could be next year, but as of now it's not supported. Future updates may break it, or we may simply decide to clean things up and get rid of the old cruft in the site. Don't get too attached... | |
Mike H wrote:
Nonsense. I made that link, he just copied it to this thread. It's mine! ;) But... but I copyrighted it! | |
If a random game could be chosen, it's probably best to randomly choose a main guild, then randomly choose an entry in it. That way it'd bias choices away from the massive BYOND Anime guild and present more balance.
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D4RK3 54B3R wrote:
I back this up. I think it's important that you can see all of the games that are live. The categories do have their functions; If someone is looking for a live strategy game, they can just go through the strategy guild, but for things like browsing games having something that shows all of the games live is far more convenient. You couldn't have said a truer word. Some people like to find games that aren't live, others just like to sift through the majority of the live games (like myself). For example, instead of looking at these posts one by one, I chose to see all of the posts at once; whatever that button is. Well, what I mean to say here in this post is, If you tend to play a game that is always live, or several games, some that would be in several different guilds or sections, it is most convenient to find them all on one page (or two, some being in the unpublished section). I like to just play whatever is generally live regardless of what category it is in. If I want to play a game that isn't live, there is always the guilds and search option which I also constantly use. For instance, I feel like playing an action game but don't want to sift through all the random live games; there is the category or guild (or whatever). Doesn't mean I have to sift my way through the random crap in the live section. There are other options aside from that, but the live link is just altogether convenient for most circumstances. Continuing on...When I see guilds, I avoid them and also the categories. I generally like to find games that are obscure and/or new and now, when I want to go hunt for a game that might be one of those obscure games that could possible be live (for testing reasons), well no more live section. Also, if a friend of mine wanted to play something and had it hosting, he could simply just say, "Go into the live section and you'll see my game there." I suppose I did make a biased post here that was really only from my experience, but what I am saying altogether is, when things were met in the middle, I found it to be more pleasing and I'm sure many people would agree with me but nevertheless, this change has already deterred me away from Byond and I'm sure other people as well. It isn't because I am just sentimental over the old things; I think change is good but some changes aren't always the best. One thing more, instead of talking about this change in here, someone should make a pole on the subject and then we will probably get better answers and discussions there. \\off topic\\Lol, when I saw the live button not working, I autimatically thought to make a thread about it but one has already been made and filled up =D.\\off topic\\ My opinion has been stated so go and discuss about stuff some more. | |
Alright, yes I have complained...I doubt anyone will even read it ^.^. I doubt that anything will change the fact that the "live games" button will never be activated again. Not even a poll. Well anyways, best of luck with everything, but my opinion still stays the same.
You know what I just thought of? The developers here are like the developers on Wurm Online, or very similar to them except that the devs here aren't making a 3D realistic mmorpg. Heck, you can go and guess why I just said that =\. | |
This sucks. I am used to just clicking a single freaking link and looking at what is going on with BYOND. Now I have to shift through all these categories and stuff.
You just made finding games on BYOND that much more difficult. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
You just made finding games on BYOND that much more difficult. Some people, such as myself, believe that it's actually worth the ever-so-slight more effort it takes to find a new game. | |
I'm having trouble with the concept of this change making finding games more difficult. There used to be random pages of unrelated games. Now those pages are sorted into categories. The mouse clicks did not increase. They were just given meaning.
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Doesn't change the fact that if your just looking for any old game if you end up looking through say RPG that game over in Casual channel that would have had you drooling over it isn't visible to you.
Really they just went from having the already sorted categories one extra click away, and a list of everything together. Instead, now we have everything sorted, still one extra click away, and no list with everything together. | |
That game over in Casual would not have been visible to you. It would have been buried in a group of unrelated games. It would have been somewhere in a group of unpublished pages that already required more clicks.
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ACWraith wrote:
That game over in Casual would not have been visible to you. It would have been buried in a group of unrelated games. It would have been somewhere in a group of unpublished pages that already required more clicks. I'm not talking about when you're specifically looking for a casual game to play. When your just looking for anything to play you had the live published games to look through, and it had a large variety of games there to choose from. Someone looking for a specific genre could already have just chosen that genre from the dropdown list (and the only thing really hindering that was the fact that reviews were infrequent/not happening). Bar finding a game there then there was also the unpublished channel, which when just skimming lightly over a select few letters could also provide a decent selection of games, again all combined into one list. Now with the proposed setup, not only does it appear we're going to have to deal with being forced to pick a category for a game from the get-go, but what it seems from the proposed improvements, have a seperate unpublished section within each guild anyway. | |
The method you're talking about would turn up, as you put it, "a decent selection of games"... but I believe the point ACWraith is making is that you still would only be seeing a selection of them, not all the games.
There is the same chance you would have missed Random New Game X under the old system as there is under the new. The difference is that now, if you are looking for something in particular, you can find it more easily... ...and if you're not, let your mouse-cursor do the walking and see where you end up. | |